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Originally posted 08:02 PM ET  10.14 by asifyouknow

If in fact (as alleged) alcohol was the problem, one has to ask what kind of help was this kid getting from the university, did he have professional counseling or just a pep talks from his coaches.

...but if I were this great coach I would of said the fallowing: I and the University will do all we can to help Stephen make it through this difficult time in his life in appreciation for what he has done for us, I do feel partially responsible for not doing all I could of to help him.

I think that brings up an interesting question: does the coach and/or university have a responsibility to provide professional help for someone who has a problem with alcohol? Or does that responsibility lie with Garcia's family?

In other words, is it sufficient for USCe and Spurrier to tell Garcia he should seriously consider AA, or do they have a moral obligation to ensure he attends (beyond the threat of booting him off the team if he falls off the wagon)?

First of all, of course winning is important and the program hoped Garcia would stay in the program and in all likelihood it is why he got five chances to conform with the team's rules.

I can find no evidence that the university was "blaming him for everything" and punishing him because the program's success was not as it could be.

After his last offense he was given a last chance and he signed a "no tolerance" contract. It was in writing and for all to see, if he broke one of the specified rules, and one was drinking, then he was out of the program. This was written and signed before the season so it had nothing to do with his poor performance recently.

Steven Garcia is from my home town and his family is very highly respected in this town. His older brother is a Harvard grad and played football there. His father and Steven have no problem with the university's actions and believe he has been treated very fairly. They both have stated that Steven is not an alcoholic but has made multiple bad choices when it comes to drinking and obeying team rules. His earlier bad choices led to the no tolerance contract, and Garcia's father did acknowledge a fact that most of us know, that a no tolerance policy for college students on drinking is a difficult one, but that it would never have come to that if he had obeyed the rules in his earlier chances.

I find no fault in the university's or coach's actions. In fact, once the contract was signed the coach's hands were tied on the matter.

QUOTE(#2):

Originally posted 10:12 PM ET  10.14 by UB bulls

I think that brings up an interesting question: does the coach and/or university have a responsibility to provide professional help for someone who has a problem with alcohol? Or does that responsibility lie with Garcia's family?

Good question...it is understood that a parent puts trust in a coach(program) to have their kids best interest in mind....is an university reponsible for a student athlete..yes they are...

QUOTE(#4):

Originally posted 05:09 AM ET  10.15 by JPax

First of all, of course winning is important and the program hoped Garcia would stay in the program and in all likelihood it is why he got five chances to conform with the team's rules. I can find no evidence that the university was "blaming him for everything" and punishing him because the program's success was not as it could be. After his last offense he was given a last chance and he signed a "no tolerance" contract. It was in writing and for all to see, if he broke one of the specified rules, and one was drinking, then he was out of the program. This was written and signed before the season so it had nothing to do with his poor performance recently. Steven Garcia is from my home town and his family is very highly respected in this town. His older brother is a Harvard grad and played football there. His father and Steven have no problem with the university's actions and believe he has been treated very fairly. They both have stated that Steven is not an alcoholic but has made multiple bad choices when it comes to drinking and obeying team rules. His earlier bad choices led to the no tolerance contract, and Garcia's father did acknowledge a fact that most of us know, that a no tolerance policy for college students on drinking is a difficult one, but that it would never have come to that if he had obeyed the rules in his earlier chances. I find no fault in the university's or coach's actions. In fact, once the contract was signed the coach's hands were tied on the matter.

The point was ..most of us would not get 5 chances to get it right in our jobs, can we agree on that,
but this school gave this kid 5 chances to fix things and he did not...I think those chances were given becomes he was winning.. my question was ..What did they do to help him after every suspension..did he get alcohol counseling (if that was the problem) opr just a -don't do it -from hiis coaches.

QUOTE(#3):

Originally posted 10:18 PM ET  10.14 by UB bulls

In other words, is it sufficient for USCe and Spurrier to tell Garcia he should seriously consider AA, or do they have a moral obligation to ensure he attends (beyond the threat of booting him off the team if he falls off the wagon)?

Yea they do...they are actually babysitting these kids

Check out an article mentioning Garcia in the Las Vegas Review Jouranl from 10/14 by Matt Youmans. The title of the article is...Pointing-shaving rumors deserve to be probed. It's interesting.

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Originally posted 12:50 PM ET  10.16 by W_A_M_U?

Check out an article mentioning Garcia in the Las Vegas Review JourNAL from 10/14 by Matt Youmans. The title of the article is...Pointing-shaving rumors deserve to be probed. It's interesting.

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QUOTE(#13):

Originally posted 03:56 PM ET  10.16 by GrandTheftHarley

So, was Stephan Garcia implicated in point-shaving, WAMU? If so, that would put an entirely different spin on Garcia's dismissal.

Oh no, not yet. The article starts by saying there is no evidence connecting him to anything. Just that there were late moves on some S. Carolina games earlier this year in which Garcia just played like s--h--!--t.

QUOTE(#16):

Originally posted 08:49 PM ET  10.16 by A & M Rattler

"They both have stated that Steven is not an alcoholic "Read more: http://www.fannation.com/message_boards/show_topic/399764-stephen-garcia-o k-with-south-carolina-as-long-as-he-was-winning#ixzz1azo1Dq3t

would like to know why he got the boot and it will come out eventually b/c college town dont keep good secrets and pissed of qb's, who enjoy the "occastional" beverage probably talk to friends.

QUOTE(#19):

Originally posted 08:56 AM ET  10.17 by Crimson02

would like to know why he got the boot and it will come out eventually b/c college town dont keep good secrets and pissed of qb's, who enjoy the "occastional" beverage probably talk to friends.

simple enough

random substance abuse testing on a no tolerance contract showed alcohol use

everyone seems to want to find a villain here...... S. Car. and SOS are villains for giving him too many chances....S.Car and SOS are villains for kicking him off after he plays bad and/or not giving him another chance......S.Car and SOS are villains for not putting him in AA (don't you think half the student population would qualify if that was the case since college drinking is still a pasttime and maybe even more so today?)......

Maybe Mr. Garcia is just a bit of a screw up that can't keep his head on straight long enough to follow the rules that are laid down for him

QUOTE(#19):

Originally posted 08:56 AM ET  10.17 by Crimson02

would like to know why he got the boot and it will come out eventually b/c college town dont keep good secrets and pissed of qb's, who enjoy the "occastional" beverage probably talk to friends.

my moms boyfrend he sed cuz south car aint got ladamore no more thay aint goin to win more then 2 more games tadays my moms birthday i got her a wach at the dollar store it costed more then a dollar aint that weerd