NCAAF  > General NCAAF  > Stephen Garcia: OK with South Carolina as long as he was winning
October 14, 2011, 08:02 PM
The best comment I've read in the web in regards to Stephen Garcia's dismissal from the South Carolina's football program, as always, comes from a fan and not from a highly paid main stream media type, here is a quote from a fan, shandy706:

"Shandy706

I love how Spurrier and the the school will now dump all of this on Garcia.

I'm not saying he doesn't deserve it, but I have NO RESPECT for Steve Spurrier or the UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH CAROLINA.

They kept bringing the kid back no matter what he did AS LONG AS HE WAS WINNING GAMES. The second he screws up they blame him for everything, and dump their sorry selves and organization on him."

Thank you shandy706 you are right on target with this, I have a feeling there is more to the story between Mr. Garcia and this program.

According to some reports his problem had to do with drinking, apparently he had an agreement with the school to abstain from drinking alcohol.

Lets think about this folks, do you know anyone in your family, work or maybe a friend who has a problem with alcohol.

Lets say you can get them to sign a document or make a verbal promise to stop drinking, would you say that be enough to get them to quit.

Let me be very blunt folks, HELL NO.

If in fact (as alleged) alcohol was the problem, one has to ask what kind of help was this kid getting from the university, did he have professional counseling or just a pep talks from his coaches.

Another question, why does anyone need five chances to straighten out, it basically tells us there were five failed opportunities by the program to help Garcia.

Can we agree on that.

Here is a quote from South Carolina's Athletic director Eric Hyman :

"Being a student-athlete at the University of South Carolina is a privilege, not a right and we remind all of our student-athletes that there are consequences for their actions,"

Well said, but why did it take him FIVE suspensions before he delivered the ultimate consequence, dismissal from the team.

I'm only guessing here, but maybe winning had a lot to do with it, again just guessing, apparently Mr. Hyman most be thinking better late than never.

Here is Steve Spurrier good bye quote to Stephen Garcia:

"We all feel like we've given Stephen numerous opportunities to be a student-athlete here at South Carolina. Obviously, he has chosen not to follow the guidelines of his reinstatement contract We wish him the best."

Fair enough I guess, but if I were this great coach I would of said the fallowing:

I and the University will do all we can to help Stephen make it through this difficult time in his life in appreciation for what he has done for us, I do feel partially responsible for not doing all I could of to help him.

Well that's what I would say, but that's just me.

As always this is just a fans opinion and from what I understand everybody has one and I thankful for that.

Enough said.
October 14, 2011  08:16 PM ET

Sorry about the multiple post....USE THIS ONE FOR COMMENTS>>THANK YOU

October 14, 2011  10:12 PM ET
QUOTE:

If in fact (as alleged) alcohol was the problem, one has to ask what kind of help was this kid getting from the university, did he have professional counseling or just a pep talks from his coaches.

...but if I were this great coach I would of said the fallowing: I and the University will do all we can to help Stephen make it through this difficult time in his life in appreciation for what he has done for us, I do feel partially responsible for not doing all I could of to help him.

I think that brings up an interesting question: does the coach and/or university have a responsibility to provide professional help for someone who has a problem with alcohol? Or does that responsibility lie with Garcia's family?

October 14, 2011  10:18 PM ET

In other words, is it sufficient for USCe and Spurrier to tell Garcia he should seriously consider AA, or do they have a moral obligation to ensure he attends (beyond the threat of booting him off the team if he falls off the wagon)?

October 15, 2011  05:09 AM ET

First of all, of course winning is important and the program hoped Garcia would stay in the program and in all likelihood it is why he got five chances to conform with the team's rules.

I can find no evidence that the university was "blaming him for everything" and punishing him because the program's success was not as it could be.

After his last offense he was given a last chance and he signed a "no tolerance" contract. It was in writing and for all to see, if he broke one of the specified rules, and one was drinking, then he was out of the program. This was written and signed before the season so it had nothing to do with his poor performance recently.

Steven Garcia is from my home town and his family is very highly respected in this town. His older brother is a Harvard grad and played football there. His father and Steven have no problem with the university's actions and believe he has been treated very fairly. They both have stated that Steven is not an alcoholic but has made multiple bad choices when it comes to drinking and obeying team rules. His earlier bad choices led to the no tolerance contract, and Garcia's father did acknowledge a fact that most of us know, that a no tolerance policy for college students on drinking is a difficult one, but that it would never have come to that if he had obeyed the rules in his earlier chances.

I find no fault in the university's or coach's actions. In fact, once the contract was signed the coach's hands were tied on the matter.

October 16, 2011  12:06 AM ET
QUOTE(#2):

I think that brings up an interesting question: does the coach and/or university have a responsibility to provide professional help for someone who has a problem with alcohol? Or does that responsibility lie with Garcia's family?

Good question...it is understood that a parent puts trust in a coach(program) to have their kids best interest in mind....is an university reponsible for a student athlete..yes they are...

October 16, 2011  12:16 AM ET
QUOTE(#4):

First of all, of course winning is important and the program hoped Garcia would stay in the program and in all likelihood it is why he got five chances to conform with the team's rules. I can find no evidence that the university was "blaming him for everything" and punishing him because the program's success was not as it could be. After his last offense he was given a last chance and he signed a "no tolerance" contract. It was in writing and for all to see, if he broke one of the specified rules, and one was drinking, then he was out of the program. This was written and signed before the season so it had nothing to do with his poor performance recently. Steven Garcia is from my home town and his family is very highly respected in this town. His older brother is a Harvard grad and played football there. His father and Steven have no problem with the university's actions and believe he has been treated very fairly. They both have stated that Steven is not an alcoholic but has made multiple bad choices when it comes to drinking and obeying team rules. His earlier bad choices led to the no tolerance contract, and Garcia's father did acknowledge a fact that most of us know, that a no tolerance policy for college students on drinking is a difficult one, but that it would never have come to that if he had obeyed the rules in his earlier chances. I find no fault in the university's or coach's actions. In fact, once the contract was signed the coach's hands were tied on the matter.

The point was ..most of us would not get 5 chances to get it right in our jobs, can we agree on that,
but this school gave this kid 5 chances to fix things and he did not...I think those chances were given becomes he was winning.. my question was ..What did they do to help him after every suspension..did he get alcohol counseling (if that was the problem) opr just a -don't do it -from hiis coaches.

October 16, 2011  10:24 AM ET
QUOTE(#3):

In other words, is it sufficient for USCe and Spurrier to tell Garcia he should seriously consider AA, or do they have a moral obligation to ensure he attends (beyond the threat of booting him off the team if he falls off the wagon)?

Yea they do...they are actually babysitting these kids

October 16, 2011  12:50 PM ET

Check out an article mentioning Garcia in the Las Vegas Review Jouranl from 10/14 by Matt Youmans. The title of the article is...Pointing-shaving rumors deserve to be probed. It's interesting.

October 16, 2011  12:53 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

Check out an article mentioning Garcia in the Las Vegas Review JourNAL from 10/14 by Matt Youmans. The title of the article is...Pointing-shaving rumors deserve to be probed. It's interesting.

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October 16, 2011  08:20 PM ET
QUOTE(#13):

So, was Stephan Garcia implicated in point-shaving, WAMU? If so, that would put an entirely different spin on Garcia's dismissal.

Oh no, not yet. The article starts by saying there is no evidence connecting him to anything. Just that there were late moves on some S. Carolina games earlier this year in which Garcia just played like s--h--!--t.

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October 17, 2011  08:56 AM ET
QUOTE(#16):

"They both have stated that Steven is not an alcoholic "Read more: http://www.fannation.com/message_boards/show_topic/399764-stephen-garcia-o k-with-south-carolina-as-long-as-he-was-winning#ixzz1azo1Dq3t

would like to know why he got the boot and it will come out eventually b/c college town dont keep good secrets and pissed of qb's, who enjoy the "occastional" beverage probably talk to friends.

October 17, 2011  10:30 AM ET
QUOTE(#19):

would like to know why he got the boot and it will come out eventually b/c college town dont keep good secrets and pissed of qb's, who enjoy the "occastional" beverage probably talk to friends.

simple enough

random substance abuse testing on a no tolerance contract showed alcohol use

everyone seems to want to find a villain here...... S. Car. and SOS are villains for giving him too many chances....S.Car and SOS are villains for kicking him off after he plays bad and/or not giving him another chance......S.Car and SOS are villains for not putting him in AA (don't you think half the student population would qualify if that was the case since college drinking is still a pasttime and maybe even more so today?)......

Maybe Mr. Garcia is just a bit of a screw up that can't keep his head on straight long enough to follow the rules that are laid down for him

 
October 17, 2011  03:11 PM ET
QUOTE(#19):

would like to know why he got the boot and it will come out eventually b/c college town dont keep good secrets and pissed of qb's, who enjoy the "occastional" beverage probably talk to friends.

my moms boyfrend he sed cuz south car aint got ladamore no more thay aint goin to win more then 2 more games tadays my moms birthday i got her a wach at the dollar store it costed more then a dollar aint that weerd

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