NCAAF  > General NCAAF  > This paragraph puts the cover up in true perspective
November 7, 2011, 07:09 PM
Today, Penn State looks precisely like the Catholic Church looked for so many years. There were accusations of pedophilia. The allegations were so horrific that they threatened to undermine the reputation of the institution. The people in charge should have brought the allegations to light. But they were more worried about how the institution would look than the values it is supposed to uphold.



Maybe some good could come about over this, maybe the people in charge will start thinking about the big picture instead of "how does this effect me?"
I know wishful thinking.


I did not mean this as a jab to Penn State, this problem is way bigger than any one institution or coach.
November 7, 2011  07:10 PM ET

What happened to doing "the right thing" in this country?

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November 7, 2011  07:14 PM ET

To be honest if someone came to me with a story about a 10-year-old being abused in a public shower I'd be reaching for my baseball bat.

November 7, 2011  07:27 PM ET

What happened? First, let's push some of the nonsense to the side. In the statement he released Sunday night, Paterno said, "If this is true we were all fooled, along with scores of professionals trained in such things, and we grieve for the victims and their families. They are in our prayers."
This is true, and also completely irrelevant. This isn't about whether Paterno should have known, for many years, that Sandusky was allegedly a pedophile. We've all heard a hundred stories of people who kept their pedophilia secret from those who supposedly knew them the best. It's almost a cliche when a pedophile (or serial killer) gets arrested and a next-door says "I can't believe it. Everyone around here thought he was a good neighbor." That is exactly what Sandusky's next-door neighbor for 30 years, Clarence Trotter, told The New York Times.
That has nothing to do with this story. This is about a specific incident, and everybody agrees: Paterno knew about it. The question is: What did he know?
This is where you start to see the seeds of Penn State's defense. In his statement, Paterno: said "As my grand jury testimony stated, I was informed in 2002 by an assistant coach that he had witnessed an incident in the shower of our locker room facility. It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the grand jury report. Regardless, it was clear that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky. As Coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at that time, I referred the matter to university administrators."
The key passage there: "He at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the grand jury report."
Curley has been charged with perjury, for saying he did not know about the specific allegation. In this case, it seems that both Paterno and Curley argue they didn't hear the specific vile allegation against Sandusky -- that they were just told there was an uncomfortable scene.


WOW

November 7, 2011  07:33 PM ET

Just what did the accuser say Joe? How does one define such an act without defining it?

Please I'd like to know the exact words

November 8, 2011  09:00 AM ET
QUOTE(#2):

To be honest if someone came to me with a story about a 10-year-old being abused in a public shower I'd be reaching for my baseball bat.

This.

How can you not beat the crap out of the perv? "I'm telling Jooooooeeeeeeee on yoouuuuuu".

Absolutely disgusting cowardly behavior by McQuery.

Your analogy to the Catholic Church is far more on-point than you suspect. Now I'm seeing the downside to the extended stability in an Athletic Department. Being in power for almost 20 years (and I'm not even talking Paterno) gives the AD and department a sense of invincibility and arrogance. The Good Ol' Boy network that is the PSU administration embarrassed the University and all alumni by mismanaging something clearly wrong and reprehensible.


I actually don't doubt Paterno's quote. Would you expect McQuery to be graphic? Or general and uncomfortable... "Joe, I just saw Coach Sandusky in the shower with some kid. He was doing horrible things... what should I do?"

Joe may have said: "I'll notify Tim Curley immediately. Sandusky doesn't work for me and this has all kinds of legal ramifications. Let's handle it through official channels."

And off McQuery goes. And there goes Joe to Curley's office with the expectation that the administration will handle the accusation with due diligence.

Would you expect the admin to handle it? I probably would, thinking rationally.

I don't know how it went down... but I can also rationally envision Paterno wanting to keep plausible deniability.

Curly then says "Thank you for bringing this to our attention, Joe. We will begin an investigation into the allegations immediately. This is extremely serious and we will handle the investigation. I ask that you not discuss the accusations with the police or media until the proper time in the investigation. This is very sensitive and we must handle it carefully."

And off Joe goes to Coach his team until he was called by the police or for the Grand Jury testimony. Even if the police stop by, he only can say "McQuery told me about it so I told Tim Curley like I'm supposed to do. I cannot call the police on here-say."

In short, I think the best course of action would be for McQuery to physically detain Sandusky while calling the police. Since he failed and went to Joe, Paterno's only real option was to go up the chain and follow University policy.

Which also seems to be what the Grand Jury surmised as well.

November 8, 2011  09:07 AM ET

I'm really trying hard to be objective, and not a Paterno apologist. This is incredibly tough to accept, as an alumni, as a fan of Penn State and JoePa.

I accept that all large, political and educational institutions have a power structure that relies on insider deals, hiding skeletons, and power plays. Any time billions of dollars are at stake (whether Government, Corporations, or Universities), powerful men play dangerous games. I get that.

It saddens me that men like Tim Curley looked out more for their child-abusing buddy and self-interest than the victimized children.

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November 9, 2011  11:14 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

I'm really trying hard to be objective, and not a Paterno apologist. This is incredibly tough to accept, as an alumni, as a fan of Penn State and JoePa.I accept that all large, political and educational institutions have a power structure that relies on insider deals, hiding skeletons, and power plays. Any time billions of dollars are at stake (whether Government, Corporations, or Universities), powerful men play dangerous games. I get that.It saddens me that men like Tim Curley looked out more for their child-abusing buddy and self-interest than the victimized children.

Grue,
Truly sorry you, as a fan who had nothing to do with it, still has to live it every day. Sorry for all the victims in this tragedy and wish nothing but the worst on the actual culprits.

November 9, 2011  11:27 PM ET

Its reported the molestations down in the PSU showers were witnessed on several different occasions. OMG!!! JOE KNEW ALL ALONG!!!

November 9, 2011  11:35 PM ET
QUOTE(#2):

To be honest if someone came to me with a story about a 10-year-old being abused in a public shower I'd be reaching for my baseball bat.

Exactly,, I am holding me Louisville right now, ready to break something while just watching the news.

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November 10, 2011  12:17 AM ET
QUOTE(#11):

Where's this report originating from, Van?

Ok the excitement of the media has got me spouting off, but CNN did run a story that said more than one person did witness the sickness and on more than one occasion.

November 10, 2011  12:22 AM ET

What was the final on the Temple game? Oh no!! here comes the tear gas!!
Run Away!! Run Away!! Back to the Pub everyone!!!

November 10, 2011  12:28 AM ET

HELL NO, WE WONT GO!,, HELL NO, WE WONT GO!, HELL NO WE WONT GO!!
WHAT?? Half price drinks over at the Beaver's Den !!!

November 10, 2011  12:46 AM ET
QUOTE(#5):

The Good Joe may have said: "I'll notify Tim Curley immediately. Sandusky doesn't work for me and this has all kinds of legal ramifications. Let's handle it through official channels." And off McQuery goes. And there goes Joe to Curley's office with the expectation that the administration will handle the accusation with due diligence.

I ask that you not discuss the accusations with the police or media until the proper time in the investigation.

Even if the police stop by, he only can say "McQuery told me about it so I told Tim Curley like I'm supposed to do. I cannot call the police on here-say."

my thoughts exactly

November 11, 2011  07:25 PM ET

Grue:
I feel horrible for the victims of this monster and eventually we will get around to how devastating this is to the Penn State family. I feel for you and all the faithful Penn State family, would not wish this on anyone.

Things will get better with the passage of time I guess, everything does.

November 12, 2011  02:31 AM ET

Thing is, I think since McQueary knew the guy he was in a state ofdisbelief and shock. I've been there (state of mind that is). It's like you're frozen in time.... That being said, after that he called his father. Even if he was still in some shock or whatever, then would be the time for dad to say, let's call the police. Not let's call Joe. Dad wasn't an employee. He didn't have "avenues" to follow.

I do feel Joe had the right intentions, though now we see he could have done more. But at the time? Who knows. Easy to say...right?

November 12, 2011  03:57 AM ET
QUOTE(#17):

Thing is, I think since McQueary knew the guy he was in a state ofdisbelief and shock. I've been there (state of mind that is). It's like you're frozen in time.... That being said, after that he called his father. Even if he was still in some shock or whatever, then would be the time for dad to say, let's call the police. Not let's call Joe. Dad wasn't an employee. He didn't have "avenues" to follow.I do feel Joe had the right intentions, though now we see he could have done more. But at the time? Who knows. Easy to say...right?

Good point, Trixi.

McQuery's failure to come to the child's aid when he witnessed Sandusky's actions was the response of an ordinary person in extraordinary circumstances. Heroes are rare and I think inertia would be most people's reaction in a situation like that. But after he sorted it out McQuery dumped it in Paterno's lap instead of calling the cops, as though something like this could be handled in-house. Now that was an act of cowardice.

Instead of telling McQ to report what he saw to the police, JoePa unfortunately played along and became a link in the subsequent actions that failed to include reporting the crime. I don't know how much of a legal stretch it is to label what happened as obstruction of justice, but it might explain why Paterno has retained a criminal defense lawyer.

Another issue I'd like to see better explained are the circumstance surrounding Sandusky's retirement in 1999. According to ESPN there were rumblings in '98 about Sandusky's "friendships" with young boys. Would JoePa force Sandusky out based solely on rumors, or was there another reason for him to retire at that time?

November 13, 2011  12:03 PM ET

I was reading this thread with interest on Friday and today I find it on page 15.

I'm not a software engineer, but couldn't the FN Tech Support guys just remove the "New Thread" button each weekend?

 
November 15, 2011  10:19 PM ET

What I learned from this:

When you see institutional crime (in the boardroom, in the locker room, in your manager's office, in the rectory), go straight to the police. Because the people at the top will always cover it up in order to save their own ****.

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