NCAAF  > General NCAAF  > Joe Paterno: If the allegations are true Penn State should show him the shortest route out of campus
November 8, 2011, 08:09 PM
There is no excuse for not reporting the alleged crime to the police, none, specially this kind of child abuse.
Reports are saying that Penn state is in the process of -managing his exit- I bet there are lots of folks out there having a hard time with that.
If Joe Paterno knew about it and was simply protecting his program rather than protecting this child's welfare, there should be no discussion about letting him resign in an- image damage control- scenario.
He should be fired. Period.
It matters not if the alleged crime happened, what matters is the fact that if Mr. Paterno was allegedly told about it and did not report it to the police.
If all this allegations turn out to be true, the only exit strategy the University should be planing is how to give him the fastest route out of campus after he gets fired.
Enough said.
November 8, 2011  08:38 PM ET

Matt Millen in my opinion apears to be defending Joe Paterno on ESPN even though he says he isn't..he started crying...you got to be kidding me....

November 9, 2011  07:43 AM ET

Todd Blackledge said on ESPN that he does not know if Paterno and his assistant coach should be coaching this weekend.......interesting awnser.....humm...sometimes one needs to let loyalty go and stand up like a man...just an opinion

November 9, 2011  07:54 AM ET

your title reads "if the allegations are true....", yet you are calling for him to be fired immediately, and not allowed to coach this weekend. What happened to the "IF" part?

November 9, 2011  07:56 AM ET
QUOTE(#3):

your title reads "if the allegations are true....", yet you are calling for him to be fired immediately, and not allowed to coach this weekend. What happened to the "IF" part?

You should read the whole thing.
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"If all this allegations turn out to be true, the only exit strategy the University should be planing is how to give him the fastest route out of campus after he gets fired."

November 9, 2011  07:57 AM ET
QUOTE(#3):

your title reads "if the allegations are true....", yet you are calling for him to be fired immediately, and not allowed to coach this weekend. What happened to the "IF" part?

A rush to judgement and quotes ESPN talking heads' opinions instead of the facts.

November 9, 2011  08:01 AM ET
QUOTE(#3):

your title reads "if the allegations are true....", yet you are calling for him to be fired immediately, and not allowed to coach this weekend. What happened to the "IF" part?

Penn state has not come out and said Mr. paterno did not know, Mr Paterno has not come out and say he did not know....time will tell

November 9, 2011  08:03 AM ET
QUOTE(#5):

A rush to judgement and quotes ESPN talking heads' opinions instead of the facts.

MY QUOTE: "If all this allegations turn out to be true, the only exit strategy the University should be planing is how to give him the fastest route out of campus after he gets fired.
Enough said. .."

November 9, 2011  08:07 AM ET
QUOTE(#5):

A rush to judgement and quotes ESPN talking heads' opinions instead of the facts.

nother quote: "
"If Joe Paterno knew about it and was simply protecting his program rather than protecting this child's welfare, there should be no discussion about letting him resign in an- image damage control- scenario.
He should be fired. Period."

Nowhere on the article did I say he should fired today...but if the allegations are true he should be fired without regards to his lagacy..do you agree with that..

November 9, 2011  08:16 AM ET

I get what you're saying, asif. I don't blame anyone in the world for feeling like JoePa had a moral responsibility to do more than he did.

At a minimum, since JoePa was cleared of LEGAL wrong-doing by the Grand Jury and investigation, JoePa should coach his final home game against Nebraska this weekend.

As human beings, for the 50+ years he walked that sideline, allow him to walk it once more. Allow the loyal fans that love him to give one last ovation at home. Let him walk out the door with one last trip through the tunnel.

If he doesn't make the road trips to Ohio State and Wisconsin, I'm OK with that. I see no reason at all for him to coach the bowl game.

November 9, 2011  08:27 AM ET
QUOTE(#9):

I get what you're saying, asif. I don't blame anyone in the world for feeling like JoePa had a moral responsibility to do more than he did.At a minimum, since JoePa was cleared of LEGAL wrong-doing by the Grand Jury and investigation, JoePa should coach his final home game against Nebraska this weekend.As human beings, for the 50+ years he walked that sideline, allow him to walk it once more. Allow the loyal fans that love him to give one last ovation at home. Let him walk out the door with one last trip through the tunnel.If he doesn't make the road trips to Ohio State and Wisconsin, I'm OK with that. I see no reason at all for him to coach the bowl game.

Good post.

I like the idea of him coaching this weekend. After that, I think for the good of the university, it would be wise to step aside and pull most of the turmoil away from the football program.

November 9, 2011  08:28 AM ET

Thank you to ESPN'S Jay Bilas for standing up on this in such a pasionate matter, you made a fan for life here...

November 9, 2011  08:32 AM ET
QUOTE(#9):

I get what you're saying, asif. I don't blame anyone in the world for feeling like JoePa had a moral responsibility to do more than he did.At a minimum, since JoePa was cleared of LEGAL wrong-doing by the Grand Jury and investigation, JoePa should coach his final home game against Nebraska this weekend.As human beings, for the 50+ years he walked that sideline, allow him to walk it once more. Allow the loyal fans that love him to give one last ovation at home. Let him walk out the door with one last trip through the tunnel.If he doesn't make the road trips to Ohio State and Wisconsin, I'm OK with that. I see no reason at all for him to coach the bowl game.

IF he knew I can't agree with you, but I can tell by your post you are a fair minded Penn State fan..thank you for your comments..as always my friend time will tell.....

November 9, 2011  08:44 AM ET
QUOTE(#12):

IF he knew I can't agree with you, but I can tell by your post you are a fair minded Penn State fan..thank you for your comments..as always my friend time will tell.....

It's been so hard to be fair minded. Some things go way beyond sports and institutions.

I'm really, really shaken up by this. More than I ever expected. My parents were at PSU when JoePa took over as HC. I met my wife there. My cousin played there, JoePa sat in his living room.

I blogged last month about the Penn State family.
http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/1096826

But right and wrong and fair and victims and legal and illegal and respect and disrespect. It's hard to sort through so many conflicts.

November 9, 2011  12:00 PM ET

The good thing is that now this can not be ignored by anyone....abuse can happen in the most unlikely places...that we can learn from this..

November 9, 2011  12:16 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

your title reads "if the allegations are true....", yet you are calling for him to be fired immediately, and not allowed to coach this weekend. What happened to the "IF" part?

They are True by testimony of the Grad assistant who saw the incident and reported it to Paterno. It is on record that Paterno reported it to his superiors at PSU, but not the Police.

It might be in doubt whether JoPa is at fault legally, but morally he is mos def, no questions at all.

I guess the question in some minds is: As the figurehead at PSU was it his responsability to do more with the allegation against someone under his authority than just report it to the school powers, who then covered it up, or did he do all that was morally required of him?

I say he is as morally guilty as anyone involved, 'cept maybe the perv... I mean perp... no, I was right on both accounts.

November 9, 2011  12:30 PM ET

I have seen the results of this type of child abuse several times, and it is sickening. I have a nephew whose life was literally ruined by a teacher/ youth pastor at his church. Thing is, it is kinda like this PSU deal. The Perp there was a fine upstanding citizen, a teacher that was well liked in the community. The whole incident was being swept under the rug, nothing would have come of it at all, both State and local law enforcement were willing to do nothing. It was only because he took kids across state lines on a chuch "outing" and the Feds got involved that anything was done at all.

My wife and her sisters were abused by her father, and her mother swears she didn't know. Her brothers and mother have refused to even acknowledge the problem existed. I have seen it over and over again in members of a church cell group, overcomers, especially for peeps with problems with things like alcohol, drugs, etc. Many if not most had a similar experience when they were young; sexual abuse by someone close to them and everyone turning a blind eye. Is it just coincidence the victims often have problems of their own later in life?

All this to say that Joe Pa is not the first to turn a blind eye, bury his head in the sand. It's pandemic. I bet there's someone you know who is a victim, and someone else you know who's a perp. It f'd up, but this is the world we live in. Pastors, teachers, coaches, all those we SHOULD be able to trust, and everyone else with their head buried.

That's MY story...

November 9, 2011  12:32 PM ET

The allegations against Sandusky reached the D.A's office back in 1998. The DA (Ray Gricar) decided there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute, so never filed charges. The allegations were officially declared "unfounded"; so by law, the police reports were destroyed a year later.

Now comes the weird part.

In 2005, Gricar destroyed the hard drive on his laptop, tossed it in the Susquehanna river--and disappeared.

He hasn't been seen since, and was declared legally dead by his family this past July.

NY Times Story
Pennsylvania Patriot-News Story

November 9, 2011  12:47 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

I get what you're saying, asif. I don't blame anyone in the world for feeling like JoePa had a moral responsibility to do more than he did.At a minimum, since JoePa was cleared of LEGAL wrong-doing by the Grand Jury and investigation, JoePa should coach his final home game against Nebraska this weekend.As human beings, for the 50+ years he walked that sideline, allow him to walk it once more. Allow the loyal fans that love him to give one last ovation at home. Let him walk out the door with one last trip through the tunnel.If he doesn't make the road trips to Ohio State and Wisconsin, I'm OK with that. I see no reason at all for him to coach the bowl game.

And what do we allow the kids and families whose life was ruined AFTER the reported incident in the showers, AFTER something could have been done but wasn't? Oh, that's right, we don't ALLOW them anything; they are just faceles nobodies in an allegation.

It is KNOWN the incident was observed in the shower by Mike McQueray by his testimony. "The grand jury report said the graduate assistant reported the incident, described as sexual assault occurring in a shower, to his boss, Joe Paterno"

It is also KNOWN that Paterno NEVER REPORTED THIS TO THE POLICE!!!!!!!!! Is that right there not enough? It is for me, and should be for others unless, like Vicks supporters in the day, you refuse to acknowledge what's right in front of your eyes, like the Grand Jury report.

Two items point toward JoPa's moral guilt: he was told about it, and he only reported it to the PSU authorities, not the police. If either wasa untrue his lawyers would be shouting to high heaven instead of remaining silent and tendering his "retirement" at the end of the season.

Sorry, I know this must hurt the PSU faithfull, but his image is a sham, just like sweatervest's was.

November 9, 2011  12:51 PM ET
QUOTE(#17):

The allegations against Sandusky reached the D.A's office back in 1998. The DA (Ray Gricar) decided there wasn't enough evidence to prosecute, so never filed charges. The allegations were officially declared "unfounded"; so by law, the police reports were destroyed a year later.Now comes the weird part.In 2005, Gricar destroyed the hard drive on his laptop, tossed it in the Susquehanna river--and disappeared.He hasn't been seen since, and was declared legally dead by his family this past July.NY Times StoryPennsylvania Patriot-News Story

Wow, didn't know that. That begs a lot of questions, mainly did the disappearance and Sandusky case have anything in common, or is it all a big coincidence?

 
November 9, 2011  01:05 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

"Nowhere on the article did I say he should fired today...

Here is your tenth line down: "He should be fired. Period."

That pretty much states "He should be fired. Period." That was in your article, and is says he should be fired. I don't understand your confusion.

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