NCAAF  > Wisconsin Badgers  > Heisman update. What about Monte Ball?
November 10, 2011, 02:04 PM
Not a BIG fan of the Heisman Trophy, but seeing it's existance can't be altered.....here's a another reason(s) why the SYSTEM known as the New York Athletic Club is a BUST.

1. If you compare what Ball (Wisconsin) and Richardson (Alabama) have done statistically so far this year, it would be hard to differentiate between the two. While Richardson has rushed for 1,037 yards and 17 touchdowns, Ball has rushed for 1,065 and 21 touchdowns. Point: Ball.

2. You may say that the Wisconsin Badgers are a run-first team. Well, Russell Wilson of the Badgers has thrown for 2,238 yards and 21 touchdowns, while A.J. McCarron of the Alabama Crimson Tide has thrown for only 1,863 yards and 10 touchdowns.
It looks like the Badgers have the more balanced offense. That makes it 2-0 in favor of Ball.

3. Even as a receiver, Ball's 13 receptions for 229 yards and three touchdowns are easily just as good as Richardson's 23 receptions for 292 yards and one touchdown. When you throw in the fact that Wisconsin has legitimate targets such as Nick Toon, Jared Abbrederis and Jacob Pederson, it makes Ball's statistics even more impressive. Another point for Ball to give him a 3-0 lead over Richardson.

4. Another argument against Ball could be that he is the only running back for Wisconsin. While only people living in caves would believe that, it could be brought up. James White, the backup running back for the Wisconsin Badgers, has 507 rushing yards and six touchdowns on the season. On the other hand, Alabama's backup running back, Eddie Lacy, has 464 rushing yards and five touchdowns. Point Ball AGAIN.

5. The only argument you could make for Richardson to be a Heisman candidate over Ball is the level of competition he has faced. Richardson has played four ranked teams so far this year compared to Ball's two. However, in the game that was supposed to prove Richardson to be the favorite for the Heisman against LSU, he only mustered 89 yards on the ground on 23 carries. Certainly not that impressive.

I know that Ball isn't as sexy a Heisman pick as Richardson or Luck, but all I'm asking is that people start talking about him as a legitimate Heisman candidate. His statistics absolutely prove that he is having a better season than Richardson.
I'm not saying that Ball should win the Heisman Trophy this year. All I'm saying is that he is every bit as deserving of being sent to New York than Richardson. Maybe even more so.
November 10, 2011  02:05 PM ET

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November 10, 2011  09:06 PM ET

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November 10, 2011  09:43 PM ET

You make excellent points unfortunately the Heisman is as much a beauty contest as it is an athletic achievement award. Gone are the days when the most valuable player in college football, no matter which school he represented, received the award.

SI and ESPN were ranking the Heisman candidates before the season started, like it was an AP poll.

I have great respect for the athletes who accept the award but I have no respect for today's Heisman selection process.

And yes I would like for Ball to receive the recognition he deserves.

November 11, 2011  04:53 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

Your bunghole of a coach, Blet Bulimia, was crowing over the scandals at TSUN, tOSU, and Penn State recently. Says: "Guess it's a good time to be a Badger."I'd wager there's also a few skeletons in the closet up there in Madison. Your HC needs to stop with his stupid binge and purge commentary.

Agree, I NEVER liked this guy, and MANY in Wisconsin don't either. Alvarez was revered for getting the program national attention (by virtue of using a bogus game schedule that is still used today), so HIS selection of "bologna" is now his problem.

November 13, 2011  08:37 PM ET

Ball = weak.

Richardson = man.

Simplest explananation for why Ball is irrelevant.

November 14, 2011  07:41 AM ET
QUOTE(#4):

You make excellent points unfortunately the Heisman is as much a beauty contest as it is an athletic achievement award. Gone are the days when the most valuable player in college football, no matter which school he represented, received the award.SI and ESPN were ranking the Heisman candidates before the season started, like it was an AP poll.I have great respect for the athletes who accept the award but I have no respect for today's Heisman selection process.And yes I would like for Ball to receive the recognition he deserves.

+1. Two losses=no award in this day an age-unless you play in the SEC and do missionary work in the PI.

If this award, in particular, was ever given to a defensive player I would buy its value a bit more.

All that being said, TR has looked slightly better on the field on TV (mainly the way he finishes runs hard) but the two are pretty much, as you indicate, a stats tie. What probably killed both for this award is the lack of OOC and/or ranked opponents. PSU is fading for Bama and WISC didn't have any notable OOC wins. If you don't do that you need either an amazing run or two for ESPN to loop or insane stats, and neither back has either one as of today.

November 14, 2011  09:13 AM ET

Only a homer could say 13 for 229 is better than 23 for 292. Lol.

November 14, 2011  09:35 AM ET
QUOTE(#8):

Only a homer could say 13 for 229 is better than 23 for 292. Lol.

The other thing is you have to look at who they were playing when the stats were gained. TR did well against LSU, but if he had a 200 yard rushing game against North Texas who cares? Ditto for WISC-if Ball ran for 200 and caught for 100 against South Dakota it does not help his case.

 
November 14, 2011  06:06 PM ET
QUOTE:

Not a BIG fan of the Heisman Trophy, but seeing it's existance can't be altered.....here's a another reason(s) why the SYSTEM known as the New York Athletic Club is a BUST.1. If you compare what Ball (Wisconsin) and Richardson (Alabama) have done statistically so far this year, it would be hard to differentiate between the two. While Richardson has rushed for 1,037 yards and 17 touchdowns, Ball has rushed for 1,065 and 21 touchdowns. Point: Ball.2. You may say that the Wisconsin Badgers are a run-first team. Well, Russell Wilson of the Badgers has thrown for 2,238 yards and 21 touchdowns, while A.J. McCarron of the Alabama Crimson Tide has thrown for only 1,863 yards and 10 touchdowns.It looks like the Badgers have the more balanced offense. That makes it 2-0 in favor of Ball.3. Even as a receiver, Ball's 13 receptions for 229 yards and three touchdowns are easily just as good as Richardson's 23 receptions for 292 yards and one touchdown. When you throw in the fact that Wisconsin has legitimate targets such as Nick Toon, Jared Abbrederis and Jacob Pederson, it makes Ball's statistics even more impressive. Another point for Ball to give him a 3-0 lead over Richardson.4. Another argument against Ball could be that he is the only running back for Wisconsin. While only people living in caves would believe that, it could be brought up. James White, the backup running back for the Wisconsin Badgers, has 507 rushing yards and six touchdowns on the season. On the other hand, Alabama's backup running back, Eddie Lacy, has 464 rushing yards and five touchdowns. Point Ball AGAIN.5. The only argument you could make for Richardson to be a Heisman candidate over Ball is the level of competition he has faced. Richardson has played four ranked teams so far this year compared to Ball's two. However, in the game that was supposed to prove Richardson to be the favorite for the Heisman against LSU, he only mustered 89 yards on the ground on 23 carries. Certainly not that impressive.I know that Ball isn't as sexy a Heisman pick as Richardson or Luck, but all I'm asking is that people start talking about him as a legitimate Heisman candidate. His statistics absolutely prove that he is having a better season than Richardson.I'm not saying that Ball should win the Heisman Trophy this year. All I'm saying is that he is every bit as deserving of being sent to New York than Richardson. Maybe even more so.

Trent Richardson had good overall yards against LSU despite the loss. I think Bama out gained LSU in offense (i know a quick reply will smack me down if not!!!).


I think your argument for Ball is hurt by all the Wisky fans earlier this year making title contention arguments without playing anyone and then dropping games. Not saying you "should" go undefeated to win but that is the current system just as lineman will not win regardless of what happens.

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