NFL  > General NFL  > Enough with Hoculi!!!
November 11, 2011, 10:39 AM
OK, so I tune into the Raiders/Chargers late last night and I see the "review" of the TD pass into the endzone. I don't have the names of the two players at the tip of my fingers but that is irrelevant at this point. The pass was a TD, I don't care what the "Rule" says. I have no vested interest in who won the game but as a fan I did SEE that the Charger went up for the ball, battled with the defender, landed on his butt with the ball in his lap, took it in his right hand and clearly "flipped" it in a spinning fashion into the endzone while still seated upright--touchdown! Oh no wait, the NFLs leading "celebrity" decided in his best lawyerly fashion that the defender was "out of the field of play" while touching the ball and therefore was in violation and the pass was incomplete!! WHAT THE HELL? (I get in trouble here for the Whisky-Tango-Foxtrot thing) Who CARES what the defender did, he didn't own the ball, the WR did and the WR made a fantastic catch IN the field of play while battling VERY good coverage. The DBs feet dangling in the white space were meaningless to the outcome and should not be relevant. This call was about as stupid as the Megatron non-TD last year when he went to the ground. Not ten minutes later there is Ed on my screen explaining some other bad call for no apparent reason other than he likes to be on TV showing off his "big guns". Recall the play he blew 2-3 years ago on the "lateral"? Was that the Chargers too? Bengals? Can't recall just know it was him.
I think he has become so self absorbed that it is affecting his play calling, he needs to retire and go back to the gym so he can look at his arms in the mirror some more.......
November 11, 2011  10:44 AM ET
QUOTE:

I don't care what the "Rule" says.

This statement encapsulates the basis for your argument. The official was following the rules. In fact, there was no room for interpretation. Without possession being established by either player, one player touched the ball while out of bounds. They play was dead at that point.

November 11, 2011  10:46 AM ET

Raiders fan and I thought it was TD, just goes to show; typically these calls go against us so I was completely surprised by this ruling. Kind of a mute point since SD eventually scored a few ticks later but still it was strange.

November 11, 2011  10:58 AM ET
QUOTE(#1):

This statement encapsulates the basis for your argument. The official was following the rules. In fact, there was no room for interpretation. Without possession being established by either player, one player touched the ball while out of bounds. They play was dead at that point.

Keepin'
I did NOT see irrefutable evidence that the defender touched the ball while out of bounds and I felt that the WR did have possession. The Defender coming in and putting his fingernail on the ball at some point during their "time of flight" should have NO impact on the outcome of the play--the WR on his can, in the field of play, with the ball in his possession. The rule is flawed and without HD micro-stop multi-view gnats-**** pixel stoppage the play was a TD. I did NOT see a reason to overturn the call on the field.

Bear with me that I am heated up about Hoculi and this is just another example of his runaway ego. Do you think he would have gotten raked over the coals this morning if he let the play stand as called. "The ruling on the field stands....Touchdown". No he comes on and gives us a 60 second dialogue on how he can overrule his guy on the fields ruling and how he picked the play apart. It was a beautiful display of athleticism from both parties and the WR lost even though he had the ball in his possession at the end of the play in the endzone. DB gets credit for a breakup on a technicality. BS call in my opinion.

Not trying to win an election here but Al B Bach (a raider fan) sees it as a TD too, I think most fans saw it as a TD, just like the Megatron catch. Football is a beautiful sport and amazing athletic performance. I don't want to see that picked apart by pixels and camera angles and shadows. The WR caught the ball--therefore TD. Don't add lawyers to my Sunday enjoyment.

My 2 cents for now....more irrational blah blah blahing to follow.....

November 11, 2011  11:39 AM ET

40, it's passion. Plain and simple. That's why football, particularly the NFL is so popular. People are passionate about it. Like you, I had no serious, vested interest in one of those teams beating the other. Were it possible for both to lose, I probably would have preferred that. I do, however, hate to see a contest between opposing forces, with pre-established rules, decided because someone decided to temporarily suspend those rules. Ruling the play a touchdown would have been suspending the rules. That would have given the Chargers an unearned advantage over the Raiders.

November 11, 2011  12:10 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

40, it's passion. Plain and simple. That's why football, particularly the NFL is so popular. People are passionate about it. Like you, I had no serious, vested interest in one of those teams beating the other. Were it possible for both to lose, I probably would have preferred that. I do, however, hate to see a contest between opposing forces, with pre-established rules, decided because someone decided to temporarily suspend those rules. Ruling the play a touchdown would have been suspending the rules. That would have given the Chargers an unearned advantage over the Raiders.

Keepin'
Grrrrrrr your statement makes me angry (only a little) because it is sound and mostly irrefutable in logic. Can I stomp my feet and say the rule is stupid then? Does that make me look infantile? You nailed it in the passion department, I still see the play as a beautiful catch with VERY good coverage. 24 inches to the center of the field and it is a highlight reel play. I'm still mad at Hoculi, and regret that it wasn't a counter. "ruling on the field stands"

Lots of changes to the "way" reviews are being handled due to the advent of HD and the ability to pick these plays apart. Maybe as the level of fidelity of technology and ability to see goes up then the complexity of the rules should go down. A balance of complexity rather than a constantly escalating scale of micro-management? In recent years we have these "memorable" calls (like the Megatron non-catch) that cause the NFL to quickly address the problems that HD is causing in their officiating (something Baseball currently ignores). In a court we have a Judge who draws upon the law, precedence, and his expertise to provide a ruling or sentence. Maybe Refs should thin out the rule book in some areas and just look at the "big picture" and decide. It would not be unprecedented; look at pass-interference. A subjective call that is arguably the BIGGEST penalty in football in yards (spot foul) and automatic first down. That is a judgement call.

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November 11, 2011  01:18 PM ET

This play was a TD in my opinion. It seems that Ed Hochuli is always involved in some kind of controversy for whatever reason. It's time for the league to give "Big Guns Ed" his walking papers.

November 11, 2011  01:36 PM ET
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reminds mee of the ''TUCK-RULE'' back in 2002,.....and i'm a pats fan [i was there!]!

Thanks Mother, that scab was healing well so I'm glad you decided to rip it off and expose a nice fresh wound - I'm sure the insurance will cover it. ;~)

(yeah we all know it was a fumble)

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November 11, 2011  01:55 PM ET
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reminds mee of the ''TUCK-RULE'' back in 2002,.....and i'm a pats fan [i was there!]!

The Tuck Rule is one of many ridiculous rules in the NFL. I wish they would limit Instant Replay to one per quarter so it won't be over used by coaches.

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November 11, 2011  03:06 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

Keepin'Grrrrrrr your statement makes me angry (only a little) because it is sound and mostly irrefutable in logic. Can I stomp my feet and say the rule is stupid then? Does that make me look infantile? You nailed it in the passion department, I still see the play as a beautiful catch with VERY good coverage. 24 inches to the center of the field and it is a highlight reel play. I'm still mad at Hoculi, and regret that it wasn't a counter. "ruling on the field stands"Lots of changes to the "way" reviews are being handled due to the advent of HD and the ability to pick these plays apart. Maybe as the level of fidelity of technology and ability to see goes up then the complexity of the rules should go down. A balance of complexity rather than a constantly escalating scale of micro-management? In recent years we have these "memorable" calls (like the Megatron non-catch) that cause the NFL to quickly address the problems that HD is causing in their officiating (something Baseball currently ignores). In a court we have a Judge who draws upon the law, precedence, and his expertise to provide a ruling or sentence. Maybe Refs should thin out the rule book in some areas and just look at the "big picture" and decide. It would not be unprecedented; look at pass-interference. A subjective call that is arguably the BIGGEST penalty in football in yards (spot foul) and automatic first down. That is a judgement call.

40, thanks for the compliment. You have my permission to both stomp your feet and shake your fist while YELLING that the rule is stupid. Officiating will have subjectivity as long as there are human officials. Some pretty smart people run this multibillion dollar annual revenue generating juggernaut. Subjectivity leads to passion. Passion leads to FANatical following of the league. I'm still angry about a phantom defensive holding call again Ronnie Lott in the 1984 NFC Championship Game.

November 11, 2011  03:32 PM ET

I thought it was a TD also, never heard of this rule before. Nor the other call that was made when the Raiders faked the punt - no pass interference when you're in a punt formation? Um, okay...

No comment on the tuck rule... thanks a bunch for bringing that up Mother!

November 11, 2011  03:33 PM ET

The other call that was kind of strange was the holding against the Raiders on the Charger's punt 'before the ball was snapped' How the hell can you hold before the ball was snapped? (he was holding for sure, but it was just the explanation that made no sense)

November 11, 2011  03:34 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

This play was a TD in my opinion. It seems that Ed Hochuli is always involved in some kind of controversy for whatever reason. It's time for the league to give "Big Guns Ed" his walking papers.

He's never been the same since that really bad call he made against the Chargers a few years back. Ever since, his dissertations after each flag show that he feels he needs to explain every single call.

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November 11, 2011  03:39 PM ET
QUOTE(#19):

congrats lihi !.........yu guys played great last nite !......i forgot about that ''faked-punt/pass-inter.'' call,........yu learn something new every game i watch !

Thanks Mother - it was a great game especially after the horrible showing last week. Good luck to your Pats on Sunday!

And yeah, two NFL rules that I've never heard of showed up last night. You can bet they'll be remembered from here on out though.

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