NFL  > General NFL  > My weekly rant about Refs and NON touchdown catches....Bengals totally ripped off.
November 21, 2011, 01:57 PM
Pulled this right from Peter Kings MMQB, he captures most of it. The only thing I would add is picture a Running Back lunging across the line, slams the ball to the ground and it is NOT a touchdown? Hold on a minute, the word "touch"down comes from the origins of football in Rugby where to score you MUST touch the ball to the ground--who cares if it moves at that point. This was a catch ALL day, he juggled it initially, got it under control then danced BOTH feet in the endzone, swept the ball into the endzone/through the imaginary plane then went to the ground....TD!!

King:
"Go back and watch the Jermaine Gresham catch ruled not a touchdown for the Bengals late in the loss at Baltimore. Gresham gets control of the ball as he takes two steps and passes the goal line. When he falls to the ground, the ball is dislodged. But he has already pierced the goal line. The touchdown should have counted. It was ruled that Gresham didn't complete the act of catching the ball. But he did complete the act of piercing the goal line with the ball in control. Watch the play. Tell me what you think. Tell me I'm nuts -- please. I cannot fathom the play not being a touchdown. Gresham got control, took steps, went through the plane of the goal line, then lost it on the ground. No touchdown. Crazy."

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/11 /21/Week11/index.html#ixzz1eMqzx3aE
November 21, 2011  02:01 PM ET

If the ball came out when he hit the ground that's not even a fumble since the ground can't cause a fumble. I don't get it either.

November 21, 2011  02:05 PM ET

TxHeat,
I think it goes to the sub-paragraph h), addendum xi, caveat 7.2 of the reception rule. phoque it. The guy had it in both hands, GREAT body control to get in the end-zone (the physics involved to move his +200 lbs through that tight space at those speeds is NASA type math) and then he loses his balance. His reward from the Zebras? Incomplete! Tools

November 21, 2011  03:41 PM ET

Bump the spammers

November 21, 2011  04:51 PM ET

bump, phoque the spammers

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November 21, 2011  06:43 PM ET

Good catch, touchdown, end of story. Just glad it didn't happen to the Saints

November 21, 2011  06:51 PM ET
QUOTE(#7):

Good catch, touchdown, end of story. Just glad it didn't happen to the Saints

this time......every week these mistakes by zebras are affecting teams. Games should be decided by the players actions (in this a catch) and not zebra interpretation.

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November 21, 2011  08:55 PM ET
QUOTE(#10):

There is always instant replay available for those questionable calls.

you're kidding right?

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November 22, 2011  09:33 AM ET
QUOTE(#17):

Howdy +40,I didn't expect too see ya posting this time of night,I hope yer Cowboys,keep on winning for ya.:-)

Hey EZ,
doing some telecommuting this week so laptop at home, can surf from the couch and watching MNF. THis morning browsing the work e-mail, little e-mail traffic as 80% of the city has left already, glad I'm not driving anywhere.

November 22, 2011  12:09 PM ET

I tried to start a thread at the beginning of the season where everyone could post bad refereeing calls for each and every game. By now I'm sure there would be at least 1,000 controversial calls made by the refs posted. The refs are only trying to follow the sketchy rules set by the owners and players and their lawyers, and you know that when you ask for lawyerly advice there will always be loopholes.

1- Make your referees full time.
2- Go over your rules and make sure there are no gray areas.
3- Keep refereeing teams together for only one season. The teams with the fewest mistakes will referee the playoffs. Referees making to many questionable calls will be fired or sent down to work on the chain crews.
4- Have one ref watching the television broadcast from the broadcasting truck with its multiple screens, that ref can be in direct contact with the ref on the field he cannot call a penalty but can overrule a penalty that has been called, thus speeding up the game. If this becomes efficient enough and pleasing to fans,players and coaches there may be no need for the coaches to have a red flag.

 
November 22, 2011  12:54 PM ET
QUOTE(#19):

1- Make your referees full time. 2- Go over your rules and make sure there are no gray areas.3- Keep refereeing teams together for only one season. The teams with the fewest mistakes will referee the playoffs. Referees making to many questionable calls will be fired or sent down to work on the chain crews.4- Have one ref watching the television broadcast from the broadcasting truck with its multiple screens, that ref can be in direct contact with the ref on the field he cannot call a penalty but can overrule a penalty that has been called, thus speeding up the game. If this becomes efficient enough and pleasing to fans,players and coaches there may be no need for the coaches to have a red flag.

1) Agree, considering the money in the NFL find a way to pay these guys for full-time work.
2) We keep adding "caveats" and gray area--thin out the rules, in this case more is less
3) Do the refs hold the same positions? Line Judge, Field Judge, Head Linesman?
4) I think they have that now, with the techi marvel "the beeper" on the Refs belt--bling!!

I want some common sense applied, more subjective when needed. We have "Judges" who decide sentences for criminals. We can let an experienced Ref look at a play like the Cincy catch this weekend and he can say "yeah he caught it..." We have subjective calls on holding and pass interference why not in other areas. When we take away the subjective call we have to add layers and layers of caveats and CYA type bull-shirt (no offense Bull, trying to beat the censors). With HDTV, HD Cameras with multiple angles it is time to let technology decide. I think the "irrefutable evidence to overthrow the call" works pretty well. The bigger problem is when the zebras get too far down in the minutia....big picture boys...catch or no catch....enough with this juggling, did it touch the ground, bobble blah blah....

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