NFL  > Chicago Bears  > Week 12 what a muddied mess!!! Bears at Oakland
November 22, 2011, 09:04 PM
With the injury to Jay Cutler, several things are happening to really make things confusing. Ok Caleb Hanie is going to be the starter, but the Bears are looking to sign a veteran backup. There are several possibilities including suddenly Kyle Orton just released by the Bronco's. Woa. Before anyone starts going nuts about Kyle, realize that even though he is the most talented and youngest posibility with roots in Chicago, he has NO experience with Martz's offense. This just makes things even more confusing.

Now I'm going to add my two cents to the above mess. If Hannie or someone else comes in and does a superb job, who do the Bears name as their Franchise Player!!! Oh sure Matt Forte right? But if we have the chance to get two very high draft picks for Hanie (Who is a free agent after this season.) like the Patriots did with Matt Cassel, would this set off a JA frenzy to sign Forte, Hanie, or possibly Orton at any price possible? Did JA's grand scheme to keep Forte cheaply just blow up in his/our faces?

Meanwhile the Bears play the Raiders in Oakland this week. We should win even with all the extra drama. So this week is interesting in the extreme in ways we never expected. What sport could even think about being better than this? GO BEARS!!!!
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November 22, 2011  09:24 PM ET

This will be a tough game for sure - but it's not an easy win for either team. The Bears have great defense, a great running game and excellent special teams. But Hanie will be a little rusty at the very least and the Raiders front 4 is pretty damn good. It's going to be a good game and interesting to see how Hanie does. I seem to remember he didn't do too bad when Cutler when out last year.

Course, even if Hanie sucks, I'm sure the Raiders will give you all the penalties you need to get down the field. So maybe it is an easy win... Ugh.

November 22, 2011  10:35 PM ET

There is nothing confusing...you have a back up for a reason, why sign an outside source who knows nothing about the offense, except players names.

The possible signing of another QB is simply to have a back up for Hanie.

November 23, 2011  02:35 PM ET

The confusing thing to me is who to put the Franchise tag on with possibly 2 Qbs and Matt Forte free agents after the season. The Bears could really use an extra high pick or two from trading Hanie after the season instead of just letting him walk and we get NOTHING AGAIN for a player that we could have gotten a pick or two for. It's unsure now on what he might be worth, but this injury to Cutler has given Hanie and the Bears a unique chance to improve the team in a way that we didn't expect. GO BEARS!!!

November 23, 2011  02:42 PM ET
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This will be a tough game for sure - but it's not an easy win for either team. The Bears have great defense, a great running game and excellent special teams. But Hanie will be a little rusty at the very least and the Raiders front 4 is pretty damn good. It's going to be a good game and interesting to see how Hanie does. I seem to remember he didn't do too bad when Cutler when out last year.Course, even if Hanie sucks, I'm sure the Raiders will give you all the penalties you need to get down the field. So maybe it is an easy win... Ugh.

No such thing as an easy win in the NFL IMO LIHI, any given Sunday any team has a chance just ask those that underestimate a team on a weekly basis, upsets, trap games are a couple terms used to describe as such.

Good luck LIHI and DJ, I hope for a good close game and no more injuries for either team, both have had their share so far this season IMO.

November 23, 2011  03:01 PM ET

To make a little sense of the Orton situation first off I don't think he lands back with the Bears, there is 30 other teams ahead of the Bears on the waiver wire and I'm hearing KC may be interested in Orton and possibly a couple other teams.

Martz for some reason has no faith in Hanie, if we all remember correctly Martz was the one who wanted Collins last year as a back up and the Bears ponied up a Mill for his lackluster showing. Lovie Smith would be the one wanting Orton back IMO, Lovie has always like Orton and from what I hear through the grapevine took a lot of persuasion from J.A. and Phillips to Lovie on board with trading Orton for Cutler.

Anyway I really would be surprised if another team doesn't pick Orton up ahead of the Bears, Martz wants veteran and preferably someone he has ties with or one who has been in his system before.

Things in Chicago are done as a group usually with Phillips, J.A. and the coaches all involved in a pow wow and majority consensus type way. I think right now it's Lovie and Martz who will decide which Q.B. to go with or go after but you have to factor in who is or will be available as to who is brought in to compete with Hanie. Which is what it would be IMO a competition in camp and the only reason why another Q.B. is being considered is the fact Nathan Enderle isn't no where ready to start and is on the roster simply because if he was on the practice squad a team could grab him like the Bengals did with Dan LeFevour. If for some reason Hanie would go down or flat out stink the Bears want an option beside Enderle and also want some competition for Hanie. this wouldn't be a big deal if the Bears weren't still in the playoff hunt but being where they are in the standing they have to explore their options.

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November 23, 2011  03:31 PM ET
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GSH,BF,I'm sorry about Jays injury,i hope things work out for you.

Injuries are a part of the NFL and teams have to be able to overcome it, the Q.B. is a tough player to lose for any team but the rest of the team has to step up their game including the back up Q.B. whomever that may be, Hanie as of right now.

November 23, 2011  03:43 PM ET
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Before anyone starts going nuts about Kyle, realize that even though he is the most talented and youngest posibility with roots in Chicago, he has NO experience with Martz's offense. This just makes things even more confusing. Now I'm going to add my two cents to the above mess. If Hannie or someone else comes in and does a superb job, who do the Bears name as their Franchise Player!!! Oh sure Matt Forte right? But if we have the chance to get two very high draft picks for Hanie (Who is a free agent after this season.) like the Patriots did with Matt Cassel, would this set off a JA frenzy to sign Forte, Hanie, or possibly Orton at any price possible? Did JA's grand scheme to keep Forte cheaply just blow up in his/our faces? Meanwhile the Bears play the Raiders in Oakland this week. We should win even with all the extra drama. So this week is interesting in the extreme in ways we never expected. What sport could even think about being better than this? GO BEARS!!!!

I personally think/hope a deal get's done for Forte but knowing the Bears they will not pay him like the Vikings did Peterson or the Titans did Chris Johnson, they will either come to an agreement or Franchise him. The Bears philosophy is they assign a price to go with a position no matter how talented that player may be and they will only give that amount, signing a player to a huge deal complicates things cap wise unless they can write in some incentive clauses that a player can agree upon.

As far as the Q.B. position goes it's Cutlers, Hanie is essentially auditioning for his future and either will have some success and interest other teams enough to offer him a contract more than the Bears offer him as a back up. So I don't think there is really any thing blowing up in the J.A. or the Bears face really, sometimes you can over think things and make rash decisions based upon the unknown you have to let things play out and go with the hand your dealt.

November 23, 2011  03:51 PM ET

Call me crazy but didn't Hannie play quite well last year in the playoff game that he replaced Jay?

The Raiders better not sleep through game prep because the Bears will not go without a serious fight, teams do not like it when their win streaks snap.

November 23, 2011  03:56 PM ET

Sad how this is the most intriguing game on after Tomorrow.

We all have to 'miss' some of the TV tomorrow, too bad all the Sunday games look lopsided, but then again sometimes those games turn out good. Last Sunday night never thought that would be a competitive game but the Giants played down to their opponent and it cost them, (I really enjoyed that).

November 23, 2011  05:31 PM ET

Orton is now a member of the Kansas City Chiefs so the Orton back to Chicago talks can cease. I didn't think Orton would make it by a few teams looking for a Q.B. and with Cassel winding up on IR it makes sense the Chiefs would go for Orton.

November 23, 2011  06:01 PM ET

The Bears then signed Josh McCown after the Chiefs grabbed Orton, Hanie will get his chance with McCown as his competition IMO.

November 24, 2011  10:30 AM ET

Bump, screw the spammers, props to Mother and JD for; push 'em back push 'em back, waaaa back

November 25, 2011  01:06 AM ET

I feel that the Raiders are going to be very suprised by the play of Caleb Hanie. I think that Hanie is going to prove very rapidly that he is a quality QB in the NFL. I also have a "gut" feeling that he will be the most coveted QB in the upcoming Free Agency this upcoming spring. If the Bears don't resign him I think it would be a huge mistake. However Martz might prefer to have McCown as the backup QB next season, I feel that resigning Hanie and then if they don't want to keep him, trading him would be the best option for the future of this team. Besides we can always use more draft choices right? Bears 31 Raiders 16. GO BEARS!!!

November 25, 2011  08:50 AM ET
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I feel that the Raiders are going to be very suprised by the play of Caleb Hanie. I think that Hanie is going to prove very rapidly that he is a quality QB in the NFL. I also have a "gut" feeling that he will be the most coveted QB in the upcoming Free Agency this upcoming spring. If the Bears don't resign him I think it would be a huge mistake. However Martz might prefer to have McCown as the backup QB next season, I feel that resigning Hanie and then if they don't want to keep him, trading him would be the best option for the future of this team. Besides we can always use more draft choices right? Bears 31 Raiders 16. GO BEARS!!!

That would entail some fortune telling and offering Hanie a contract right now based on what they seen from camp and last year. Hindsight is 20/20 and giving Hanie a new contract right now in the hope he plays out the rest of the season like say Cassel did in Brady's absence is reaching a bit IMO and a gamble. If for some reason J.A. and Bears where to do this and sign him and he failed miserably they would be laughed at and every fan would be saying what was he thinking, on the other hand if Hanie does well fans will be saying why didn't the Bears sign Hanie and anticipate he would do well? It's a catch 22 and the safe option is to simply let things play out at this point or that's what I personally think anyway.

Also Hanie would have to accept the offer the Bears give and he may want to explore the possibility of going somewhere he has a chance to start.

November 26, 2011  07:24 PM ET

You are correct GSH1 it would be premature right now to sign Hanie, but after four games (or before the Packers game on X-mas day) I would consider it. I just think that Hanie has been learning for 4 years how to be an NFL QB and Martz's offense for the last year and 1/2. So I expect Hanie to come out and suprise alot of people especially the Raiders who are probably going to put 8 men in the box and open up Hanie's chances to really have a good game. Watch for the play action passes to Knox, and Williams. With plenty of screens to Forte after a play action fake. Add in the fact that Bennett is healthy and I think our passing game is set to have a breakout game against the Raiders. Now wouldn't that be nice! I expect Hanie to have over 300 yards of passing with at least 2 TD's. GO BEARS!!!

November 27, 2011  07:38 PM ET

Well I guess I missed this week's prediction. Sorry Bear fans. At least we got some much needed work and hopefully confidence for Hanie. Next the Chiefs in Chicago. Hope the results are better for the Bears. GO BEARS!!!

 
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