NFL  > General NFL  > See ya later Bruce!
January 21, 2012, 01:42 PM
It's a great day for Steelers fans. Bruce Arians has deicded to "retire". (sounds a little fishy to me, but it's all good ... ) Hopefully, the Steelers can grab someone that knows how to call plays. Seriously .. the Steelers have some of the best running backs in the NFL. It's a little bit ridiculous to be honest .. Rasard Mendenhall, Isaac Redmen, Mewelde Moore .. hell, our 4th string running back, Baron Batch showed in training camp that he's a great pass blocker and a tough runner .. And Roethlisberger and this passing game can do much better than 21 touchdowns. We need a coach that runs the damn football and sets up that play action for Ben .. then you can get those big plays that Bruce always tried to force ..
I'd love to have HUGH JACKSON as our offensive coordinator. The man deserves a job, he went from being a well liked OC in Oakland, then the head coach after Tom Cable was fired (which was a bit questionable in itself if you ask me .. ) then suddenly fired because the new GM wanted his guy in there ... Hopefully the Steelers can entice him over here.

STEELERS FANS - Who do you want in there as our OC?
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January 21, 2012  02:09 PM ET

I nearly choked on my water as I read that. Arians didn't do anything to win those Superbowls. First of all, he was only our offensive coordinator in the Superbowl in '08, he was our wide receiver coach in '05 ..
And let's be honest, defense won the championship in '05 (Ben put the team on his back in the playoffs and played brilliantly that year, but thank Ben or that not Arians.)
Offensively we've constantly under achieved .. every year is supposed to be the year the offense explodes, every year is going to be Rashard Mendenhall's big year and before that Willie Parker's big year .. The offense has been good with Bruce but every offenses he's had control over could have been some of best in the NFL. If we're consistently scoring 20 points or less a game, you need to point the finger somewhere .. It's not a lack of talent, it's not Mike Tomlin, he doesn't call the plays, so it's Bruce .. Pure and simple. With a good OC, who knows, we could've been in the big game every year.

January 21, 2012  02:11 PM ET
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I nearly choked on my water as I read that. Arians didn't do anything to win those Superbowls. First of all, he was only our offensive coordinator in the Superbowl in '08, he was our wide receiver coach in '05 .. And let's be honest, defense won the championship in '05 (Ben put the team on his back in the playoffs and played brilliantly that year, but thank Ben or that not Arians.)Offensively we've constantly under achieved .. every year is supposed to be the year the offense explodes, every year is going to be Rashard Mendenhall's big year and before that Willie Parker's big year .. The offense has been good with Bruce but every offenses he's had control over could have been some of best in the NFL. If we're consistently scoring 20 points or less a game, you need to point the finger somewhere .. It's not a lack of talent, it's not Mike Tomlin, he doesn't call the plays, so it's Bruce .. Pure and simple. With a good OC, who knows, we could've been in the big game every year.

Maybe the team needs to upgrade the offensive personnel. It's easy to put all the blame on the OC.

January 21, 2012  02:21 PM ET
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Maybe the team needs to upgrade the offensive personnel. It's easy to put all the blame on the OC.

By offensive peronnel, do you mean the rest of the coaching staff? If that is the case, which I doubt that it is, the offensive coordinator should be the first to go. It's his job to coordinate the offense, if the offense is underachieving he takes the blame. That's the way it is.
If you mean the players, then no, it's not their fault. Heath Miller, one of the best tight ends in the game catching the football and running after the catch, where's he in our offense? Rashard Mendenhall, great at catching the ball out of the back field, why doesn't he do that? Antonio Brown is a huge deep threat, why did he only get two touchdowns? Ben Roethlisberger has proven he's one of the best in the league, why did he only throw 21 touchdowns? It's not one player under performing, it's all of them. That's the OC's fault!

January 21, 2012  02:24 PM ET
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By offensive peronnel, do you mean the rest of the coaching staff? If that is the case, which I doubt that it is, the offensive coordinator should be the first to go. It's his job to coordinate the offense, if the offense is underachieving he takes the blame. That's the way it is.If you mean the players, then no, it's not their fault. Heath Miller, one of the best tight ends in the game catching the football and running after the catch, where's he in our offense? Rashard Mendenhall, great at catching the ball out of the back field, why doesn't he do that? Antonio Brown is a huge deep threat, why did he only get two touchdowns? Ben Roethlisberger has proven he's one of the best in the league, why did he only throw 21 touchdowns? It's not one player under performing, it's all of them. That's the OC's fault!

I think you're giving the players a free pass. The Steelers defense was more responsible for losing that playoff game against the Broncos than the offense was.

January 21, 2012  03:51 PM ET

That's right, the offense was never on the field in OT, so how could they have lost the game?

January 21, 2012  07:55 PM ET

1) Sgt. Friday, I'm not giving the players a free pass. When you lose or in this case, when you're not putting points on the board, everyone has to take part of the blame. Ben should get a big part of it, he's our quarterback, Rashard Mendenhall should too, maybe he dances around a little too much .. in the end, however, when it comes down to, "Okay, how do I fix this? How should I go about getting more points on the board?", you gotta start with the coaching staff. It's their job to coordinate the game, they should be fired first. That's why Bruce gets the boot and that's why he's taking most of the blame for this offense and rightfully so, if you ask me.

2) I'm not a fan of Bruce, clearly, but I understand that he's not incapable of his job. I say things like, "Oh, this guy's an idiot" or "This guy doesn't know what he's doing", but the truth is, he does know what he's doing. He's an offensive coordinator in the NFL for a reason .. With that said, we've won games because of him, we've performed well as an offense because of him. I'm not saying he sucks and he shouldn't coach football, I'm saying that this offense has consistently underachieved and I'm not the only one who believes that. It's a question of, "could we have done better?" Not, "Why do we suck so bad?" Get me?

3) Who said anything about the Denver Broncos game? You're right, the offense didn't lose that game. I never said that. It's pretty blatant to everyone that it was the defense that lost that game. Offensively I don't think the Steelers could've played better with all things considered. We lost that game on defense. However, I can't fault the players for that either, though they should share the blame with the coaches. They executed the plan almost to perfection: Shut down the run and make Tebow beat them with his arm.
So what did Tebow do? He beat us with his arm. So, I would define that as a coaching error ... You can't blame the players for executing the plan that was given to them. I think it's hard to blame a loss on a player or even a few players in this game .. Sure, you can put the blame on them because of a couple plays, but I don't think you can put a blame on one player for losing a game.

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January 22, 2012  09:02 AM ET
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That's right, the offense was never on the field in OT, so how could they have lost the game?

I agree with your message.

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January 22, 2012  03:12 PM ET
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That plan was indeed to put the game on Tebow. Of course it was. That way, the defense would force a bad passing offense to throw into the teeth of the number one pass defense. How is that a coaching error??

While I agree with these sentiments completely, it shoul have been clear to Lebeau after the second quarter that this game plan was not working...Lebeau should have adjusted accordingly which he clearly did not...

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January 23, 2012  02:08 PM ET
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Did you watch the game?? How can you say that "They executed the plan almost to perfection?" That plan was indeed to put the game on Tebow. Of course it was. That way, the defense would force a bad passing offense to throw into the teeth of the number one pass defense. How is that a coaching error??Generally, I agree with you that one player or a couple of players don't lose games, but this game was an exception. Ike Taylor cost them. Everything else goes away if Taylor didn't play the worst game of his career.

I really don't think the Steelers were the best pass defense in the NFL ... We all get caught up in yards per game, the Steelers were number one in that category against the pass, but look at the quarterbacks they went up against: Tavarius Jackson, Kerry Collins, Blaine Gabbert, Tyler Palko, Colt McCoy .. The "good" quarterbacks we played actually played well: Joe Flacco in both of his games, Alex Smith, Matt Shaub .. The average quarterback rating forced by the Steelers isn't impressive at all, a significant factor in finding out how good a pass defense is.
Tom Brady is the only quarterback that I'm proud to say the Steelers destroyed this year. But we hardly got any interceptions from our secondary, something I think seperates a good pass defense from an average one.
And to answer your question, yes I watched the game. You said that the plan was to force a bad passing offense to throw into the teeth of the number one pass defense ... That would've been a good plan, wouldn't it? But that's not what we did, we didn't even defend the pass. We were ALWAYS crowded at the line of scrimmage, every time Tebow dropped back we looked surprised on defense and had to chase the receivers down the field instead of being prepared to cover them. That's my point Jack, our plan should've been to be always be prepared for Tebow to throw because it's just not something to be scared of. We don't have to crowd the line of scrimmage every play to stop this running game, this is one of, if not the most disciplined front sevens in the league, they know how to stop the run.
Our defense stopped the run and Dick dared Tebow to throw the ball, but he was still crowding the line of scrimmage and Ike Taylor and the rest of our defensive backs was still playing bump and run with the recievers! That's the coaching error I'm referring too

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