MMA  > General MMA  > Did the Tate/Rousey fight change your viewpoint on Women's MMA?
March 4, 2012, 09:29 AM
Did the Tate/Rousey fight change your viewpoint on Women's MMA? Or is it still a sideshow circus attraction? I have largely ignored women's MMA due to disliking the different set of rules (shorter rounds) and the fact that most of the few fights that I had seen looked like slapfights on the playground. I also watched Cyborg destroy Carano in 2009 which was scary because I think we all witnessed MMA's first sanctioned intergender match that night. All in all, I like many others, have ignored women's MMA thus far...

Until last night. Ronda Rousey is charismatic, nice looking and can fight, which she proved by making Tate her latest victim using a nasty looking armbar. I will definitely watch her next fight to see if she can do it again. I wonder how much attention this girls could bring to MMA if Dana would put the UFC hype machine to work with her..
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March 4, 2012  11:14 AM ET

Which I don't think is a bad idea. Dana was hyped up about last night's fight but then once again, Showtime got into a ****ing match with him over who controls the show. Dana got mad and walked. Showtime would do well to listen to him.. between the Fertittas and Dana, they've taken a failing company and turned it into a worldwide promotion.

March 4, 2012  09:58 PM ET

I have liked WMMA for a while now, and last nights two female fights are good examples of why.

For whatever reason, the girls always put it all on the line. Alexis Davis, for instance, knew that her best shot was on the ground, but she elected to stand and trade with the best puncher at 135. And once she did get her down, she went right to town smashing away, and could have earned a 10-8 for that effort. Which is pretty impressive when you look at all the damage she took, including a hateful cut by her eye.

And in the main event, Tate was game and probably got her arm popped on the first armlock and then escaped and took the back and was doing decent. Rousey's proved thatthe extreme balance and power that makes a great Judoka can toss a solid wrestler around if applied right. We saw this in the Shields/Akiyama fight too. And Ronda might be mostly a one trick pony, but like a Damascus Samurai sword folded and folded again and again, that skill has been honed to a razors edge.

Both of those were great fights, and I think that a great war like Kaufman/Davis and a superstar like Ronda, WMMA isn't going anywhere just yet.

March 5, 2012  02:02 AM ET

I've been a fan of WMMA ever since I saw Gina Carano for the first time 4 years ago or so and thats for obvious reasons (I think she was even my first avatar on here). If theres good looking girls fighting or ones that are at least talented (I even enjoyed watching Cyborg just embarrass everyone) then I will always tune in. I'm actually really disappointed that Showtime didn't show the Kaufman/Davis fight. The short 10-15 second clip they showed and how Sarahs face looked after winning the fight made me want to see the action. I don't know why it wasn't one of the televised bouts or why they didn't add it as a bonus after Tate/Rousey since they mentioned the fight several times and it sounds like it would have been a good one to help promote WMMA.

March 5, 2012  02:40 AM ET
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I've been a fan of WMMA ever since I saw Gina Carano for the first time 4 years ago or so and thats for obvious reasons (I think she was even my first avatar on here). If theres good looking girls fighting or ones that are at least talented (I even enjoyed watching Cyborg just embarrass everyone) then I will always tune in. I'm actually really disappointed that Showtime didn't show the Kaufman/Davis fight. The short 10-15 second clip they showed and how Sarahs face looked after winning the fight made me want to see the action. I don't know why it wasn't one of the televised bouts or why they didn't add it as a bonus after Tate/Rousey since they mentioned the fight several times and it sounds like it would have been a good one to help promote WMMA.

Those undercard fights were on Showtime's sister network, Showtime Extreme.

I feel basically the same way as you. Definitely enjoyed tuning in for Gina Carano.
The beatdowns that Cyroid Mantos delivered to Jan Finney and then that Japanese fighter weren't as fun to watch since Mantos should have been fighting Jose Aldo, but at least s/he kept the division going.
These fights last night re-invigorated things. Super aggressive fighters - great scrambles and impressive technique.
Still too early to tell whether they'll be able to get enough depth in the division for the long term but they definitely earned a stay of execution.

March 5, 2012  02:41 AM ET
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Which I don't think is a bad idea. Dana was hyped up about last night's fight but then once again, Showtime got into a ****ing match with him over who controls the show. Dana got mad and walked. Showtime would do well to listen to him.. between the Fertittas and Dana, they've taken a failing company and turned it into a worldwide promotion.

Mauro Ranallo is unbearable.

March 5, 2012  08:02 AM ET
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Those undercard fights were on Showtime's sister network, Showtime Extreme.I feel basically the same way as you. Definitely enjoyed tuning in for Gina Carano. The beatdowns that Cyroid Mantos delivered to Jan Finney and then that Japanese fighter weren't as fun to watch since Mantos should have been fighting Jose Aldo, but at least s/he kept the division going. These fights last night re-invigorated things. Super aggressive fighters - great scrambles and impressive technique.Still too early to tell whether they'll be able to get enough depth in the division for the long term but they definitely earned a stay of execution.

the only way Cyborg kept the division going was by testing positive for steroids and making WMMA no longer a foregone conclusion....what was the point of WMMA when everyone KNEW Cyborg was going to destroy whoever was in the cage with her? Now, she out and ALL of her wins are viewed with a great deal of skepticism....Gina Carano, who quit MMA upon realizing she had no chance to be the best over Cyborg, is now considering coming back because her loss wasn't really legit....Cyborg getting popped brought life back to WMMA....

March 5, 2012  10:35 AM ET
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Those undercard fights were on Showtime's sister network, Showtime Extreme.I feel basically the same way as you. Definitely enjoyed tuning in for Gina Carano. The beatdowns that Cyroid Mantos delivered to Jan Finney and then that Japanese fighter weren't as fun to watch since Mantos should have been fighting Jose Aldo, but at least s/he kept the division going. These fights last night re-invigorated things. Super aggressive fighters - great scrambles and impressive technique.Still too early to tell whether they'll be able to get enough depth in the division for the long term but they definitely earned a stay of execution.

I will have to check later and see if maybe they are rerunning the undercard then. Or try to find at least that 1 fight online

March 6, 2012  09:16 AM ET

As much as I hate to say it, I agree with Loki. The best thing Cyborg has done for WMMA is get popped for roids. Now that she's out of the picture a bit, other female fighters can get a little bit of the spotlight. All in all, I'm excited to see where it goes over the next 12-18 months.

CL- She is a one trick pony for now but maybe she will survive long enough on her judo/subs that she can blossom into a great fighter, like Koscheck? He was 100% wrestler when he started but over the years has really put the pieces together (except against GSP).

March 12, 2012  08:40 AM ET
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As much as I hate to say it, I agree with Loki. The best thing Cyborg has done for WMMA is get popped for roids. Now that she's out of the picture a bit, other female fighters can get a little bit of the spotlight. All in all, I'm excited to see where it goes over the next 12-18 months.CL- She is a one trick pony for now but maybe she will survive long enough on her judo/subs that she can blossom into a great fighter, like Koscheck? He was 100% wrestler when he started but over the years has really put the pieces together (except against GSP).

one trick pony is okay if no one can beat that one trick....Royce Gracie was a one trick pony that dominated much larger fighters because they didn't know how to counter his trick....top female grapplers have a distinct advantage because most women lack the firepower to get the KO....if Rousey can avoid getting KO'd by someone that lacks that power (which is a fairly safe assumption), she seems to be the best on the ground...Kaufman certainly looked scared....after seeing Kaufman's fight, I understand....Kaufman won but Alexis Davis was easily able to grab her even if it was only to avoid getting hit in the face more....well, if Davis can grab her, what will Rousey do? Grab her and toss her and take home an arm....

Also, I re-watched the Rousey fight again and I am even more shocked that so many MMA writers and analysts got the entire fight wrong....Rousey didn't have a loose grip on that first arm bar....she didn't WANT to snap it so she gave it up and started hitting Tate in the head. The second arm bar, you could SEE Rousey mouthing the words "Come on, tap"....you could SEE the look on her face when she came to the realization that she'd have to go further to finish it because Tate just wouldn't tap....and you could see how disturbed Rousey was after the fight....I have NEVER seen such a subdued(non-existent) celebration for winning a title....MOST fighters would have been celebrating, chatting with their corner...Rousey was so focused on seeing if Tate was okay, it took her several minutes before she went to her corner to accept congrats for the win....her comment about not feeling bad about it was designed to "act tough"....if other fighters become aware that she isn't as interested in causing injury, they are more likely to resist tapping out...if she let it go on Tate, maybe she'll let it go against the next opponent...

March 12, 2012  08:42 AM ET

I want to see Rousey break the arm of Tate's BF....THAT would be great to watch...especially since HE is such a biiitch...

March 12, 2012  08:42 AM ET

I want to see Rousey break the arm of Tate's BF....THAT would be great to watch...especially since HE is such a biiitch...

March 12, 2012  09:50 AM ET
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Rousey didn't have a loose grip on that first arm bar....she didn't WANT to snap it so she gave it up and started hitting Tate in the head.

Are you calling Ronda a liar? Because she said herself post fight that the first armbar was too loose, and that is why she forsook it.

March 12, 2012  10:29 AM ET
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Are you calling Ronda a liar? Because she said herself post fight that the first armbar was too loose, and that is why she forsook it.

YES....if she admits that she released it because she didn't want to snap it, all future opponents will resist tapping.....she HAD to pretend to be all hard about it or she'd just be inviting the same situation from occurring again....just look at her face, look at her eyes...watch her LET the hold go and start punching Tate in the forehead......she was NOT happy about having to do that to Tate....she was there to compete, not to harm....she was raised to win, not to injure...she was putting on a show to seem intimidating rather than seem soft because EVERYONE wants a piece of a soft champ....it was her only option or else she would go into each fight in the future facing someone that was going to refuse to tap in hopes that she'd let go and give them another shot at surviving....

March 12, 2012  10:32 AM ET
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YES....if she admits that she released it because she didn't want to snap it, all future opponents will resist tapping.....she HAD to pretend to be all hard about it or she'd just be inviting the same situation from occurring again....just look at her face, look at her eyes...watch her LET the hold go and start punching Tate in the forehead......she was NOT happy about having to do that to Tate....she was there to compete, not to harm....she was raised to win, not to injure...she was putting on a show to seem intimidating rather than seem soft because EVERYONE wants a piece of a soft champ....it was her only option or else she would go into each fight in the future facing someone that was going to refuse to tap in hopes that she'd let go and give them another shot at surviving....

and if she doesn't want to break arms, then she wants people to THINK she is eager to break arms so they will tap more quickly and save the arm so Rousey doesn't have to snap it.......Mir is the ONLY top fighter I know that doesn't care about snapping a limb....everyone else goes only so far, then pauses to give the opponent an opportunity to tap(just like Rousey did with BOTH armbars)....Mir just snaps it with a smile....

March 12, 2012  10:34 AM ET
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Are you calling Ronda a liar? Because she said herself post fight that the first armbar was too loose, and that is why she forsook it.

it's like robbing a bank with a fake gun....don't WANT to shoot anyone but you want them to THINK you will so they will comply....

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March 12, 2012  01:04 PM ET
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She must not have seen previous Rousey fights.And you have some weird theories dude. You're kind of out there with all of these conspiracy theories. Rousey didn't have the arm bar fully locked the 1st time. She even stated it after the fight. Why would she care about not snapping her arm the 1st time, but the 2nd go ahead an mangle it?

WATCH.....she had it locked and LET it go.....she had it the second time and held it waiting for the tap before she bent it back.....she could have immediately snapped it as soon as she straightened the arm but CHOSE not to until she realized a tap would not be coming....if you could lip read, you'd see what I am talking about when she was waiting for the tap....you can SEE her VERBALLY urging Tate to tap.....

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