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March 28, 2012, 11:57 AM
It's a ways away, but I'm curious to know if everyone thinks Dos Santos can beat Overeem? IMO, Overeem's stand-up is better than Dos Santos but I'm assuming Dos Santos has a better ground game (assuming because I can't remember the last time I saw him on the ground).
So what does everyone think? Overeem or Dos Santos? Sound off Fannation!!
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March 28, 2012  01:59 PM ET

I favor Overeem in this matchup. The standup might be a toss up; JDS has boxed a swath through the UFC's heavyweight division but Alistair's well balanced Muay Thai game complete with devastating punching, kicks, and Uberknee's earned him the title of best kickboxer on earth last year.

I still favor Alistair's well rounded attack on the feet, but I also see him having a gigantic advantage on the ground and in the wrestling. If he eats a big shot and decides to forsake the standup he can always clinch, knee and throw and work big ground and pound. That is an option that JDS doesn't have.

Cardio may favor JDS, but I don't think Alistair is as lacking as some may think.

Should be a great fight, I look for an Overeem finish in the second round, either a TKO or submission.

March 28, 2012  02:07 PM ET

I am on the fence on this one.
On one side, I think JDS is faster, uses better angles and if he hits on target, Overeem will fall.
On the other hand, you cannot disrespect the strength of AO.

I would love to take into consideration their last fights, but on JDS's side it was too fast or a one-sided affair after he hit Roy or Carwin.

On Alistair side, he was out-struck by Werdum. But Was it because he was not worried about Werdum's striking game? He also claim he had a toe injury which kept him out of shape.
Against Lesnar, he did not respect Lesnar at all, so he simply walked past him.

Truth to the matter is that is AO fights any way close to what he fought against Werdum or Lesnar, he would lose to Junior. but I just think it is a reflection of the fighters he was up against.

On the ground, I give the advantage to whoever is on top.

March 28, 2012  02:10 PM ET

I favor JDS because I am not sold on Overeem on 2 elements: cardio and striking defense.

Overeem's cardio has looked very suspect in recent fights. Muscles need oxygen.

And his striking defense is absolutely suited for Boxing and K-1, but I think it is too simplistic for MMA.

On the other hand, I am not saying that Overeem doesn't stand a chance. I have JDS as a slight favorite.

It is very tough to get Overeem to the ground, he is viciously strong and, forget what I said about his striking defense... his striking offense is, until proven otherwise, the best in heavyweight MMA.

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March 28, 2012  06:53 PM ET
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Not to keep disagreeing but I see JDS winning this fight. A couple of reasons why. First, while I think Overeem has maybe better standup, I don't think he's all that great defensively standing up. I think JDS walks thru him and lands something big. Overeem has always tended to fold when things don't go his way, so I expect when he does he caught, he'll cover up and JDS will ound him until the ref stops it. JDS, 1st Rd TKO.

I haven't see Overeen tested in a while or get popped in the chin. Jds will def land some good shots and if Overeen takes it and stays calm I see Overeen winning but if JDS lands shots I can see Overeen getting K'Oed.

March 28, 2012  07:01 PM ET

Have you guys seen the main event? It looks stacked

Heavyweight Championship: Junior dos Santos (c) vs. Alistair Overeem
Heavyweight bout: Cain Velasquez vs. Frank Mir
Heavyweight bout: Roy Nelson vs. Antonio Silva
Heavyweight bout: Gabriel Gonzaga vs. Shane del Rosario
Heavyweight bout: Mark Hunt vs. Stefan Struve

What do you guys think?

March 29, 2012  03:32 AM ET
QUOTE(#7):

Have you guys seen the main event? It looks stackedHeavyweight Championship: Junior dos Santos (c) vs. Alistair Overeem Heavyweight bout: Cain Velasquez vs. Frank MirHeavyweight bout: Roy Nelson vs. Antonio SilvaHeavyweight bout: Gabriel Gonzaga vs. Shane del RosarioHeavyweight bout: Mark Hunt vs. Stefan StruveWhat do you guys think?

A LOT of pounds in that main card!

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March 29, 2012  12:34 PM ET
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Stacked card. Give me JDS, Cain, Nelson, Del Rosario, and Hunt.

I like JDS, Cain, Silva, Rosario and Hunt. Stefan seems like a an easy target and not sure if he will ever reach elite status.

March 29, 2012  12:47 PM ET
QUOTE(#7):

Have you guys seen the main event? It looks stackedHeavyweight Championship: Junior dos Santos (c) vs. Alistair Overeem Heavyweight bout: Cain Velasquez vs. Frank MirHeavyweight bout: Roy Nelson vs. Antonio SilvaHeavyweight bout: Gabriel Gonzaga vs. Shane del RosarioHeavyweight bout: Mark Hunt vs. Stefan StruveWhat do you guys think?

I like it, but there is always a big risk with all those HW's. Heavyweight bouts always have that chance that they will get tired and have a slop fest in the latter rounds.

Good card, but having seen the dynamism, speed, cardio and pace that the lighter weight classes (155, 145, 135, 125) have, I would always like to see at least one fight of those classes on each card. Although I guess we do live in an era where all the undercard fights are available somewhere if you have internet and/or Fuel, so there isn't that much to complain about.

March 29, 2012  12:51 PM ET
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I favor JDS because I am not sold on Overeem on 2 elements: cardio and striking defense.Overeem's cardio has looked very suspect in recent fights. Muscles need oxygen.And his striking defense is absolutely suited for Boxing and K-1, but I think it is too simplistic for MMA.On the other hand, I am not saying that Overeem doesn't stand a chance. I have JDS as a slight favorite.It is very tough to get Overeem to the ground, he is viciously strong and, forget what I said about his striking defense... his striking offense is, until proven otherwise, the best in heavyweight MMA.

I know Alistair's cardio is always in question due to a few of his fights, but it has been incredible in the past as well.

He had some fights at 205 where he gassed, but there were others where he had scary cardio. I think a lot of it has to do with how much he gets shake out of his game. Remember when he had his way with Hiromitsu Kanahara? He literally spent the entire 10 minute first round thrashing him everyway he wanted to, and in between rounds he wasn't even breathing heavily, and was having regular conversation with his corner.

March 29, 2012  12:55 PM ET

How about Mark Hunt? If he wins this Struve fight, I think he has a legitimate claim to be the number one contender. There will be no other HW with the kind of winning streak he has going against solid top 15 fighters like Struve, Rothwell and Kongo. Not to say that others don't have more quality wins, but The Super Sumoan is on one hell of a roll right now.

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March 29, 2012  07:07 PM ET

I don't think Hunt should be #1 contender with a victory over Struve.

Does he really deserve that spot? Who did he beat? not top 10's for sure. Specially if you take into account the eminent merger with SF's heavys.

IMO the next contender should be the winner of Josh Barnett & Daniel Cormier, so they can unify the HW title.

And with that, it would allow time for Hunt, Werdum, Silva (if he wins over Roy) and the winner of Cain & Mir to fight amongst themselves and the winners would then fight to become the #1 contender.

March 30, 2012  02:44 AM ET
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I know Alistair's cardio is always in question due to a few of his fights, but it has been incredible in the past as well. He had some fights at 205 where he gassed, but there were others where he had scary cardio. I think a lot of it has to do with how much he gets shake out of his game. Remember when he had his way with Hiromitsu Kanahara? He literally spent the entire 10 minute first round thrashing him everyway he wanted to, and in between rounds he wasn't even breathing heavily, and was having regular conversation with his corner.

I know what you mean. And we can't know for sure.

But in this case I'm looking at his last few fights, that's my "barometer" for what his cardio is supposedly like.

He gassed badly against Werdum and was breathing more heavily than he should after the short fight with Lesnar.

Regarding his 205 fights, I think he's a different fighter now. A better fighter, for sure. But also a bigger, more muscled one, who needs more oxygen for the same minutes of fighting.

March 30, 2012  07:51 AM ET

Overeem will still have to pass a drug test and they probably won't let him get away with fleeing the country to avoid his random drug test next time....

Mark Hunt? a win over Cheick Kongo (the lowest ranked HW to retain his employment with UFC) doesn't even merit attention, let alone a contender fight...He should have to beat TWO of the following fighters to earn a title shot: Cain, Mir, Nog, loser of JDS vs Overeem....you should have to show that you can compete with a reasonably recent title holder...beating someone that has never been all that close to a title shot doesn't cut it...and Stefan Struve certainly hasn't done enough to be a test worthy of a title shot...beating Pat Barry and Dave Herman isn't anything special...

March 30, 2012  08:00 AM ET
QUOTE(#13):

I know Alistair's cardio is always in question due to a few of his fights, but it has been incredible in the past as well. He had some fights at 205 where he gassed, but there were others where he had scary cardio. I think a lot of it has to do with how much he gets shake out of his game. Remember when he had his way with Hiromitsu Kanahara? He literally spent the entire 10 minute first round thrashing him everyway he wanted to, and in between rounds he wasn't even breathing heavily, and was having regular conversation with his corner.

it doesn't take very much energy to beat up someone that sucks....Overeem vs Kanehara was not much different than an adult beating a child....when there is nothing to push you, you don't need all that much cardio....is an adult going to spend all that much energy trying to hold down a little kid? It's not like Carwin gassing in an attempt to take out a powerful opponent like Lesnar....it's like Roy Nelson putting Kimbo in a crucifix and then just tapping his face til the ref stops the fight...not much energy spent...

 
March 30, 2012  09:01 AM ET
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it doesn't take very much energy to beat up someone that sucks....Overeem vs Kanehara was not much different than an adult beating a child....when there is nothing to push you, you don't need all that much cardio....is an adult going to spend all that much energy trying to hold down a little kid? It's not like Carwin gassing in an attempt to take out a powerful opponent like Lesnar....it's like Roy Nelson putting Kimbo in a crucifix and then just tapping his face til the ref stops the fight...not much energy spent...

Here we go again.

YOU said Overeem sucks.

In the same paragraph you call Lezbo a POWERFUL opponent.

Care to explain?

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