MMA  > General MMA  > Cheating
March 30, 2012, 09:54 AM
I will take Cyne's place here with starting a thread.

What is the take on cheating in MMA as far as PED's.

TRT..? cheating? What else is cheating? Is it cheating?

Lets keep the debate going with FACTS, not WHAT IF. A

lso, if a fighter has not been popped YET (Overeem, Lezbo) lets assume that they are clean. Example: "Rashrod Evans was out for so long because he used a ton of juice to get his new body, and nicely chizzled under boob"....fair?
March 30, 2012  10:35 AM ET

For that, we need to define cheating.

PED is anything that enhance your performance in order to give you a unfair advantage.

While Testosterone replacement therapy can be abused, "the claim" for fighters using TRT is to bring them back into the same level as other fighters that produce more Testosterone naturally.

Theoretically, then it shouldn't give them an advantage.

The issue is, and I tend to agree with Loki, age is a factor in life. But the aging fighter has experience that comes with years. So is it fair for him to have the same Testosterone level of a young fighter plus the experience?

IMO no artificial substance should be allowed. And by artificial I mean anything that the fighter's body does not produce naturally!

Now, from that we could derail this talk into the fact that some people get better training camps, or better diet specialist (Mike Dolce) ... aren't this an unfair advantage against a poor fighter who trains at his local gym?

The problem is that there's no real reason for UFC to clamp down on this. They will do the bare minimum they can to keep appearances, but there's no real reason to control their fighters.
At the end of the day, people rather see 2 guys in their roid rage induced fight than 2 "clean" fighters who cannot perform to the level we came to enjoy.

March 30, 2012  10:59 AM ET

You cannot assume someone is clean just because they haven't been officially popped and punished.....Overeem DID fail his drug test....when you are given 24 hours to take a test and you flee the country for 2 weeks to clean out your system before you are willing to provide a proper sample to the proper authority, it IS a failure...just as a person on probation or parole that doesn't take their court ordered drug test is arrested and sent to jail for violation of probation/parole....failing to pass a test in the time given IS a failed test

March 30, 2012  11:18 AM ET
QUOTE(#2):

You cannot assume someone is clean just because they haven't been officially popped and punished.....Overeem DID fail his drug test....when you are given 24 hours to take a test and you flee the country for 2 weeks to clean out your system before you are willing to provide a proper sample to the proper authority, it IS a failure...just as a person on probation or parole that doesn't take their court ordered drug test is arrested and sent to jail for violation of probation/parole....failing to pass a test in the time given IS a failed test

while I see your point, the claim is that Overeem's mother was very sick, so he flew to meet her.
If his mother was really sick, I can't fault him. I would have done the same thing if it was my mom.

But yeah, it does sound suspicious, and this is why he is now subject to random testings without previous notice.

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March 30, 2012  12:41 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

TRT is not cheating because its not against the rules. Simple. End of story.As far as PED's go, I could care less anymore. How many athletes are using some form of PED? I bet the majority are. If you're not cheating you're not trying.

well, for a while PEDs weren't against the rules in baseball....but it was still cheating....it's not about the rules, it's about sportsmanship, fair play and professional conduct....TRT violates everything that actually matters....rules are to principles like legality is to morality....just because it is illegal or against the rules doesn't make it immoral(speeding, smoking pot, etc...), and just because there isn't a rule against it, doesn't make it right(you can exercise your freedom of speech to ridicule a rape victim without legal punishment if you want but no one will call you a good person for doing so...)

March 30, 2012  12:51 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

TRT violates everything that actually matters....

I agree with this.

Even if it is within the rules and limits, it's still an unfair advantage.

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March 30, 2012  01:03 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

TRT is not cheating because its not against the rules. Simple. End of story.As far as PED's go, I could care less anymore. How many athletes are using some form of PED? I bet the majority are. If you're not cheating you're not trying.

Im asking, not about the rules, but if it is giving you an unfair advantage, should it be allowed, in YOUR opinion. Not what is already in place.

I agree that MOST in all sports are using SOMETHING!

March 30, 2012  01:05 PM ET

someone actually mentioned to LIFT the ban on PED's on sports. That would make for some intresting competition.

I also believe that HGH (from what i HAVE read) should be made available to anyone, healthy or not. In my eyes its the fountain of youth.

March 30, 2012  01:16 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

someone actually mentioned to LIFT the ban on PED's on sports. That would make for some intresting competition. I also believe that HGH (from what i HAVE read) should be made available to anyone, healthy or not. In my eyes its the fountain of youth.

IF there is sufficient evidence to show that there are NO adverse effects, then I suppose HGH would be the physical version of attending college and getting an education....

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March 30, 2012  01:50 PM ET
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Well I get what you're saying but to me cheating is violating rules. TRT does no such thing.

doesnt TRT make your "numbers" higher than they usually are?

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March 30, 2012  01:52 PM ET
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I`ve never taken any PED`s, but always thought if I could afford it, that HGH would be the one I would take, the little I have read on it makes it sound ok.I was talking with someone about a year ago on here, that was saying negative things about HGH, I can`t remember who it was, or even what they said now.

I was close to trying ANAVAR last year, but I just really dont have the balz to try PED's.

I have heard nothing but good things about HGH.

slim to no side effects.

Keep 90% of what you build in the gym.

Greater focus.

like i said fountain of youth

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March 30, 2012  01:55 PM ET
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No. TRT is set in place so that fighters with diminished testosterone can achieve levels of a normal male.

of a normal male, not of their normal level, and in turn giving them more of an advantage. TEST is the building block to build muscle and heal, among other things.

If I have a below average Test level, then thats how I am and thats how I should come to fight.

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