NCAAF  > General NCAAF  > 2012 FBS Non Conference Schedules
April 22, 2012, 08:42 AM
In this thread we will take a closer look at each conference including the independent teams and how their schedules compare with each other.

Last year tutelage was held at the Ice Haus but thanks to a windfall from liquor sales, a certain donor has enabled us to hold camp on the grounds of the Asylum Playground in the back of their laundry truck!

Not only does this large box truck make a wonderful classroom, it also provides the Academy students with free transportation to and from the Ice Haus.

Classes begin Monday, April 23 at 9am eastern and tuition is free. All are welcome to share your knowledge and maybe learn a few things along the way.
April 22, 2012  08:49 AM ET

Ahhh, football banter is BACK! Excellent!


I'll set y'all up with an oversized parking place for the box truck right near the front porch.

April 22, 2012  08:59 AM ET

Yes...good to see football banter back.

As a Public Service Announcement, be aware that some posts and parts of posts can be copied, modified and reposted without the original posters permission at later times by a dup.

As for football banter, will the course work help determine which team has the easiest/hardest OOC schedule? Which conference? Methodology for the determination?

Looking forward to the class....

April 22, 2012  09:08 AM ET

Sign me up Nork! I enjoyed last year's class a lot. It showed how wimpy those Texas Tech Red Faders are in thier OOC scheduling! We'll see how many homers get defensive about their weak OOC schedule. Looking forward to it.

April 22, 2012  09:40 AM ET

The non conference schedules will be broken down into three categories:

1. Major Six and these are also known as Bowl Championship Series conferences because of their confererence champions receiving automatic bids to the BCS bowls and these include the
Atlantic Coast Conf.
Big XII
Big East
Big Ten
Pac 12
South East Conf.

2. Little Five and they consist of
Conf-USA
Mid American Conf.
Mountain West Conf.
Sun Belt
Western Athletic Conf.

3. fcs, or football championship subdivision, formerly known as Division 1aa and these include teams such as liberty, fordham, richmond etc. and these teams will always be shown in lower case to make it easier to differentiate from the FBS, Football Bowl Subdivision which is made up uf categories one and two.

Of the four independent teams, Notre Dame will be designated as a Major Six team and
Army, Navy and BYU will be assigned to the Little Five group of teams and the reason for that is their schedule.

Notre Dame has TEN Major Six teams on its shedule plus Navy and BYU.

Navy only has THREE Major Six teams scheduled, Army has four and BYU has five.

April 22, 2012  10:09 AM ET
QUOTE(#2):

1. Yes...good to see football banter back

2. As a Public Service Announcement, be aware that some posts and parts of posts can be copied, modified and reposted without the original posters permission at later times by a dup.

3. As for football banter, will the course work help determine which team has the easiest/hardest OOC schedule? Which conference? Methodology for the determination?

4. Looking forward to the class....

1. I hope so.

2. There's a time and place for everything. And that time would be Friday afternoons in the Laundry Truck!

On Friday mornings we will review the prior week and the afternoons will be reserved for Art & Duncecrafts, Show & Tell and Story Telling!

3. It should do all those things and more. Some of the methodology was explained in comment #4 but we will also need to be subjective at times and use the 'eyeball test' because there is much crossover in these categories. For example we know that some of the best Little Five teams would crush some of the weaker Major Six teams and even the best fcs teams can give some of the Major Six teams trouble on the right day.

4. Glad to have you at the Academy.

April 22, 2012  10:15 AM ET
QUOTE(#3):

Sign me up Nork! I enjoyed last year's class a lot. It showed how wimpy those Texas Tech Red Faders are in thier OOC scheduling! We'll see how many homers get defensive about their weak OOC schedule. Looking forward to it.

I was hoping you would join my staff!

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April 22, 2012  10:32 AM ET
QUOTE(#7):

Can't even remember what conference BSU is in anymore.

Is that on the final?

April 22, 2012  10:33 AM ET
QUOTE(#5):

the best fcs teams can give some of the Major Six teams trouble

And speaking of the fcs, keep in mind the the fcs team is always the visitor in these fcs vs. FBS contests.

Last year the fcs was involved in 96 games with the FBS and the fcs managed six wins. Three of the wins were over Major Six Teams.

richmond beat Duke 23-21
n. dakota st. beat Minnesota 37-24
sacremento st. beat Oregon St. 29-28

The other three FBS teams that lost to the fcs were
New Mexico, UNLV and Western Kentucky. New Mexico only had one win last year and it was over UNLV.

Two other teams with just one win last year were Indiana and Akron, both of their wins were over an fcs opponent.

April 22, 2012  10:33 AM ET

Norka - will timing of the OOC schedule be taken into consideration? For instance a popular trend for some teams (and even whole conferences) is to schedule a very weak OOC opponent late in the season, around weeks 10/11/12. Scheduling a cupcake/FCS school late in the season amounts to a restful tune-up practice prior to rivalry week.

Playing the Western Kentucky Hilltoppers or Wofford Terriers is laughable enough ... but slotting them late in the season IMO deserves deduction points. What say ye?

April 22, 2012  10:39 AM ET
QUOTE(#10):

Norka - will timing of the OOC schedule be taken into consideration? For instance a popular trend for some teams (and even whole conferences) is to schedule a very weak OOC opponent late in the season, around weeks 10/11/12. Scheduling a cupcake/FCS school late in the season amounts to a restful tune-up practice prior to rivalry week.Playing the Western Kentucky Hilltoppers or Wofford Terriers is laughable enough ... but slotting them late in the season IMO deserves deduction points. What say ye?

Those conferences (SEC, I am presuming you are referencing) also start conference play the 2nd game of the season rather than "tune-up" for the first 3-4 weeks....

Just saying... :)

April 22, 2012  10:43 AM ET
QUOTE(#10):

Norka - will timing of the OOC schedule be taken into consideration? For instance a popular trend for some teams (and even whole conferences) is to schedule a very weak OOC opponent late in the season, around weeks 10/11/12. Scheduling a cupcake/FCS school late in the season amounts to a restful tune-up practice prior to rivalry week.Playing the Western Kentucky Hilltoppers or Wofford Terriers is laughable enough ... but slotting them late in the season IMO deserves deduction points. What say ye?

Should those conferences, such as Big XII*, who have 2 Open Weekends also be penalized?

April 22, 2012  10:46 AM ET
QUOTE(#9):

Last year the fcs was involved in 96 games with the FBS

For 2012, the number of games between the fcs and FBS has increased to 107, part of that is the fact that the FBS has added four new teams this year, an increase of three percent but the number of fcs games shows an increase of 11.5%

The new teams to the FBS this year are:

UMass Minutemen to the MAC
South Alabama Jaguars to the Sun Belt
Texas San Antonio Roadrunners to the WAC
Texas State Bobcats to the WAC

April 22, 2012  10:56 AM ET
QUOTE(#10):

Norka - will timing of the OOC schedule be taken into consideration? For instance a popular trend for some teams (and even whole conferences) is to schedule a very weak OOC opponent late in the season, around weeks 10/11/12. Scheduling a cupcake/FCS school late in the season amounts to a restful tune-up practice prior to rivalry week.

Playing the Western Kentucky Hilltoppers or Wofford Terriers is laughable enough ... but slotting them late in the season IMO deserves deduction points. What say ye?

I tend to agree that a late-season patsy is penalizable -- the only exception being a homecoming foe, those have historically been scheduling in as easy wins to appease the homecoming alumni and keep the cha-ching flowing. Homecoming patsies are not as common as they once were, though, IMO.

April 22, 2012  11:00 AM ET
QUOTE(#10):

Norka - will timing of the OOC schedule be taken into consideration?

I'll have to pose that question to the Dean of Philosophy. That will be a night class.

April 22, 2012  11:06 AM ET
QUOTE(#11):

Those conferences (SEC, I am presuming you are referencing) also start conference play the 2nd game of the season rather than "tune-up" for the first 3-4 weeks....Just saying... :)

I personally like the strong OOC during the early part of the season ... mainly because it makes for better TV watching during weeks 1-4.

It's a quandry ... that's why I brought it up. You can recover in the rankings from losing to a powerhouse early in the season ... but not late in the season. I'm assuming this is why the practice has caught on.

On the other hand if you schedule a week 11 cupcake you run the risk of strength-of-schedule issues when the BCS polls are in effect. For instance LSU has NOT scheduled a late-season cupcake ... if you schedule a late-season cupcake and are tied with LSU going into week 11 you will most likely drop a slot.

April 22, 2012  11:19 AM ET
QUOTE(#16):

I personally like the strong OOC during the early part of the season ... mainly because it makes for better TV watching during weeks 1-4. It's a quandry ... that's why I brought it up. You can recover in the rankings from losing to a powerhouse early in the season ... but not late in the season. I'm assuming this is why the practice has caught on.On the other hand if you schedule a week 11 cupcake you run the risk of strength-of-schedule issues when the BCS polls are in effect. For instance LSU has NOT scheduled a late-season cupcake ... if you schedule a late-season cupcake and are tied with LSU going into week 11 you will most likely drop a slot.

So what about the open date in November? Should that factor into the SOS issues as well? Especially when the team has already had an open date in Sept/Oct?

And, yes, OU does this as well...appears to be a BigXII thing this year...

April 22, 2012  11:30 AM ET
QUOTE(#17):

So what about the open date in November? Should that factor into the SOS issues as well? Especially when the team has already had an open date in Sept/Oct?And, yes, OU does this as well...appears to be a BigXII thing this year...

It's a good question. I don't have a consistent answer because they play 12 games like the rest of CFB ... it's all in the timing. Is a week of rest better than a week of extra practice/padding the stats against a cupcake?

As good students we are tasking our professor with difficult scenarios!

April 22, 2012  11:34 AM ET
QUOTE(#16):

I personally like the strong OOC during the early part of the season ... mainly because it makes for better TV watching during weeks 1-4.

The strongest teams and conferences tend to schedule the weakest non conference schedules. Last year LSU was an exception but of the preseason top 25, only a few have more than one Major team out of conference, some have none.

This is Georgia's OOC and it is the norm for the Major conferences:
Buffalo
Fla. Atlantic
georgia southern
Ga. Tech

Two against little five, one fcs and one Major all at home and this is typical for the Major conferences.

 
April 22, 2012  11:44 AM ET
QUOTE(#18):

It's a good question. I don't have a consistent answer because they play 12 games like the rest of CFB ... it's all in the timing. Is a week of rest better than a week of extra practice/padding the stats against a cupcake?As good students we are tasking our professor with difficult scenarios!

Appears to be that way because BIGXII is scheduled into Dec....to make up for losing the Conference Championship Game???

That would make sense....

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