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May 14, 2012, 12:19 PM
Jerry Jones says he lost no confidence in Rob Ryan last year, believes offseason moves will help him 'match up'.

Considering Jerry gave Ryan nothing to work with last year (same defense as in 2010), their pathetic performance was pretty much expected. It's a proven fact you cannot turn poo into a diamond. Now that Ryan has some new toys hopefully he will put those to good use.
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May 14, 2012  01:24 PM ET
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"It's a proven fact you cannot turn poo into a diamond."Are you talking about the Browns?

It didn't cross my mind when I wrote it. I was referring to the sorry secondary. But if the shat fits.

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May 14, 2012  01:31 PM ET
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Was just wondering simply because the Browns...well they suck.

Look on the bright side..the Indians are in first place!!!

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May 14, 2012  03:17 PM ET
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well,.... rob can't do no ''worse'' than his ((F A T)) , evil-twin !

He supposedly had lap band surgery. I could not tell.

May 14, 2012  03:19 PM ET

I knew it would take some time to get used to Ryan's defense. His schemes are really complex. But I read the other day that he was going to tone it down and make things more simple initially and work in the complexities later. That should help.

May 14, 2012  03:24 PM ET
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I knew it would take some time to get used to Ryan's defense. His schemes are really complex. But I read the other day that he was going to tone it down and make things more simple initially and work in the complexities later. That should help.

It wouldn't have mattered how simple he did things last year, they just had no talent in the secondary. This year there is no excuse.

May 14, 2012  03:28 PM ET
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It wouldn't have mattered how simple he did things last year, they just had no talent in the secondary. This year there is no excuse.

You'd know better on that front. All I know is when he was the DC at Oakland, he had 3 playbooks... it took a while to adjust.

May 14, 2012  03:30 PM ET
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You'd know better on that front. All I know is when he was the DC at Oakland, he had 3 playbooks... it took a while to adjust.

Good thing the Cowboys are doing away with playbooks and issuing ipads instead.

May 14, 2012  05:56 PM ET
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It wouldn't have mattered how simple he did things last year, they just had no talent in the secondary. This year there is no excuse.

It wasn't a complete lack of talent so much as it was an unbelievable rash of injuries...on the whole team really, but particularly in the secondary. At times they had backup safeties lining up on wide outs. I don't care who your starting corners are, in that circumstance the secondary is gonna suck. The secondary was also hindered tremendously by a horrendous pass rush. After Ware, nobody could get to the QB. Ryan's system leaves the secondary exposed A LOT so if you don't have a solid pass rush, it's gonna get ugly. It's easy to blame the secondary, but the defense on the whole was just bad. New starting corners won't change a lot unless the pass rush improves.

May 14, 2012  06:08 PM ET
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Oh yeah. But then I think about what happened to 'em last year around the 50 game mark. They went into the toilet. Hopefully that doesn't happen this year although if it does I wouldn't be suprised. Like I have said before being a Browns/Indians fan can be summed up by one blues song, RL Burnside's...It's Bad Ya Know?

Don't look now, but they've already started their slide a little bit prematurely than last years.

May 14, 2012  06:25 PM ET

It seems to me that if a secondary is good enough to
make the QB hold onto the ball for a second longer,
that would change some pressures to sacks and
that would make significant difference. Just a
thought.

May 14, 2012  08:06 PM ET

As a Cowboy fan since 1960, and an NFL fan for nearly as long, I've learned a few things about "talent." I can sum it up with a question...who was the last Super Bowl champion that was considered the most talented team in the league?
Good talent with great leaders will always beat great talent with poor leadership. Can you think of a single Super Bowl winner that didn't have great leadership either from the coaching staff or the on field leaders? Only one I remember in my life was Joe Namath and the Jets in a game that Baltimore gave away.
Nothing against Garrett. I think he's got the makings of a fine NFL coach. I'm just not sure he's ready to make up for the complete lack of on field leadership. Maybe in a few years....

May 14, 2012  08:50 PM ET
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As a Cowboy fan since 1960, and an NFL fan for nearly as long, I've learned a few things about "talent." I can sum it up with a question...who was the last Super Bowl champion that was considered the most talented team in the league?Good talent with great leaders will always beat great talent with poor leadership. Can you think of a single Super Bowl winner that didn't have great leadership either from the coaching staff or the on field leaders? Only one I remember in my life was Joe Namath and the Jets in a game that Baltimore gave away.Nothing against Garrett. I think he's got the makings of a fine NFL coach. I'm just not sure he's ready to make up for the complete lack of on field leadership. Maybe in a few years....

"Leadership" isn't definable by a fan. When a team wins, suddenly they have "leaders" when they don't win, somehow they are devoid of "leaders". It's all a mirage. Mike Irvin was called a great "leader"...and he sliced a teammates throat with a pair of scissors. It's all good when you win.

May 14, 2012  09:22 PM ET
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"Leadership" isn't definable by a fan. When a team wins, suddenly they have "leaders" when they don't win, somehow they are devoid of "leaders". It's all a mirage. Mike Irvin was called a great "leader"...and he sliced a teammates throat with a pair of scissors. It's all good when you win.

Nonesense. Leadership is obvious. No one doubted who the leader of the Cowboys was in the 90's. It was Aikman, and it was obvious. You doubt that Manning's leadership was the reason that the Colts did what they did? or that it was Elway that dragged 3 talent-poor Broncos teams to Super Bowls in the 80's?
Show me a losing team, and then point out the "leaders" on that team. Football has 22 positions on every play. It's more of a team sport than almost any other. No team wins without leadership.
The quality of theat leadership is what makes a "team" superior to a collection of greater talent. Dallas has proved that for the last 6 years. Look at the pro bowlers and all-pros from the Cowboys over that span. More than any other team during that time. If they had the most talent....then explain to me why they were losers.
In the 1995 season, Dallas overcame an inept coach to win a Super Bowl. How? It was because Aikman took the team away from Switzer and "led" it to win.
As to Irvin...he led by example and intimidation. Scissors to the throat? Fall in line or you could get this too. You may not approve of it, but it damn sure made his point.

May 14, 2012  10:16 PM ET
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Dallas has proved that for the last 6 years. Look at the pro bowlers and all-pros from the Cowboys over that span. More than any other team during that time. If they had the most talent....then explain to me why they were losers.In the 1995 season, Dallas overcame an inept coach to win a Super Bowl. How? It was because Aikman took the team away from Switzer and "led" it to win.As to Irvin...he led by example and intimidation. Scissors to the throat? Fall in line or you could get this too. You may not approve of it, but it damn sure made his point.

Look at the pro bowlers and all-pros from the Cowboys over that span. More than any other team during that time.

Bull Crap. Who cares about "pro-bowlers"? That's a joke. Name all those all-pros over the last 6 years.

Here...I'll do it for you:

Ware - 4 times
Witten - 2 times
T.O. - once

That's it. That's all of 'em.

You are buying the MYTH that the Cowboys have perennially had more talent than everyone else. That was NEVER the case. The ONE year they had all those 'pro-bowlers' you seem to think matter was the same year Tom Brady's team went UNDEFEATED and Brett Favre's team went 13-3. They BOTH also lost to the same Giants that beat Dallas. Are you going to tell me that Brady and Favre aren't "leaders", either?

Aikman's teams DID have a boatload of All-Pro's every year, on both sides of the ball. It's pretty easy to be a "leader" on a team full of the best players in the game.

It's easy to see what you want to see when you are talking about something (leadership) that a fan CAN'T quantify. You think Irvin was 'making a statement' with scissorgate? Um, no. That stemmed from an argument over a Hair Cut, it had nothing to do with football. Yep...Mike was a great "leader". I mean, everyone on the team was invited to the "white house" for coke and hookers anytime they wanted.

Come on man.

Aikman "took the team away" from Switzer? Do you not realize how absurd statement that is? Aikman had no more control over what was going on than Switzer did. In fact, showing up at Irvin's trial as a sign of solidarity was STUPID. All it did was send a message to the younger players that Michael's actions were OK since he was a Cowboy. Switzer himself tried to carry a gun onto a plane. The whole flipping team was out of control. There was no "leadership".

Those teams won because they were WAY more talented than everyone else. It was one of the most dysfunctional teams ever assembled. They did whatever the hell they wanted, whenever the hell they wanted to do it. They had a severe LACK of "leadership".

What happened to them when Aikman had a washed up Smith and no longer had a team chock full of All-Pros? Did he forget how to "lead"?

You use Peyton Manning? Those Colts were FAR more talented than Romo's Cowboys most years...and they won exactly 1 Super Bowl, in a season Manning performed HORRIBLE in the post season. His defense bailed him out. In Fact, Manning's overall post season performance is nothing to brag about by any stretch.

Show me a losing team, and then point out the "leaders" on that team.

That IS my point. The whole "leaders" thing, at least from a fan perspective, is bogus. You think losing teams don't have "leaders"? Did Landry and Shula just forget how to "lead"? Or did they stop winning when they stopped having the most TALENT?

Twice Eli has faced Tom Terrific in the biggest game of the year. In both cases, Brady played for the better team but lost. I guess that means Eli is a much better "leader"?

May 14, 2012  10:25 PM ET

Part of the problem is the Dallas media has a tendency to WAY over-hype the team. So does the national media to an extent. When I see Cowboys fans make the claim they had the most talent in the league the last 6 years, I can only shake my head and wonder if they actually watch football or just listen to the talking heads and count pro bowl appearances as if they mean something.

You want to talk about "pro-bowls"? How many did Roy Williams get selected to? Do you believe he was actually one of the best safeties in the NFL? Get real. Last years starting corners, Terrance Newman and Mike Jenkins BOTH started a pro bowl a couple years ago...you think that means they are great players? Yeah...that's why Cowboys fans have been screaming for their heads for years. Making a pro bowl has about as much meaning as winning a gold glove in baseball, maybe less.

 
May 15, 2012  12:05 AM ET

Spoken like someone who has never been part of a winning team. Every succseful team, in football or in life has a successful leader. Who do you think it is that gets that extra effort from a player when he gets down on himself? Who is it that sets the tone for on field performance? Who is it that keeps people from giving up when things go wrong?
That's how real life works. Nothing happens without leadership in life.
You think Microsoft grew into what it is because Bill Gates was a good code writer? You think Sam Walton was just a good salesman? You think Tom Landry got "lucky" for 20 years in a row? that "anyone could win with this team" (to quote Jerry Jones)?That's exactly the thinking that destroyed the Cowboys in the 90's...oh sure, we have so much talent ANYONE could win with this team.
I never said talent wasn't important, I said that it's useless without leadership. Without guidance, direction, discipline, teaching, and recognition of strength and weaknesses...talent means nothing. The world is full of talented failures
By your reckoning, The Atlanta Falcons and the Houston Texans should be the top teams in the league last year. And where did you get the silly idea that the Colts have more talent than the Cowboys? They lost one player and look at what happened...because he was their leader. Dallas lost it's qb too, and fared much better than the Colts, once the failed leadership of Phillips gave way to Garrett.
As for Bonehead Barry...did you pay any attention to the Cowboys at that time? The fued between Switzer and Aikman was about as private as a stop light. Read up a little. There are a couple good books on it, in case you were'nt fortunate enough to see what was going on at the practice field and even during games. Switzer didn't even bother to show up for half the practices. Aikman ran the show, but there was only so much he could do outside of game situations with no support from management. The scenario doomed the Cowboys from that day until now. It was a failure of leadership. If you want to say the leaders didn't get the talent, then fine...it's still a leadership issue. Talent doesn't control the draft, free agency, coaching, training, discipline, gameplanning, or, believe it or not, the ability to take contol of a team during a game and make it function at it's highest level.
Find any great team and actually listen to what the people on that team say about it. They always talk about some leader that changed the team, took control, and made everyone else around him better.
BTW...you forgot to include Jay Ratliff on your All-pro list.

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