MMA  > General MMA  > Brock Lesnar and the UFC
May 28, 2012, 03:12 PM
I just want to get some general thoughts.

I believe there is no way hes out of a WWE Contract until after WM29 and this was just an addition from WWE to the "I Quit" angle.

On the other side.

If Brock can spend the limited year in the WWE to get a clean bill from the diverticulitis I see no reason he cant make a successful return. At 100% he is still physically dominant to nearly everyone who can be placed in front of him.

His biggest issue besides the illness was training in his hometown with an over 30 group of overweight former HS Wrestlers hoping to relive their glory days. He needs to be in a real camp doing real training.

If Brock can get healthy. Train in a real camp. Fight to his strengths and not try to stand with the elite stand up guys in the division. He has a shot with anyone.

When Mir got JDS leg in the 1st round there is no doubt that Brock would have finished the take down. No Doubt.
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May 28, 2012  04:55 PM ET

*sigh*

It's embarrassing to read anything that Frank writes MMA related.

Brock Lesnar finished his MMA career 5-3, including 4-3 in the UFC.

Brought a lot of new fans to the sport and some great PPV numbers. He'll be more remembered for that, than for his actual fighting ability and/or resistance to getting punched in the face.

Too bad for him that he had to leave getting crushed back to back, but that's the way things are.

Next.

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May 29, 2012  03:54 AM ET
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He also had 3 relatively impressive wins, Hyped. He would be fine in the 7-8 range in the HW division.

He's 35 in a couple of months, hasn't trained for half a year and it is blatantly obvious he will never learn to get hit.

But I do agree he would be 7-8 range in the HW division, that's fair.

May 29, 2012  03:55 AM ET

Oh, and when he does turn 35, it'll be 2 years since his last win.

May 29, 2012  03:56 AM ET

Hey DJ, Go Heat? What do you say? :)

May 29, 2012  09:09 AM ET

'I believe there is no way hes out of a WWE Contract until after WM29....'

Brock signed a 1-year contract with the WWE that ends around WM29...the current contract dispute with WWE/Brock quiting is JUST an angle/storyline. Brock will wrestle HHH at Summerslam later this Summer. Brock's WWE contract calls for a limited number of appearances so this is WWE's way of saving them until their next major PPV (Summerslam).

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May 29, 2012  11:24 AM ET

All right, can we all give up the "he lost because he had diverticulitis" story. There is no evidence of this.

Did Werdum have diverticulitis? Did Duffee have diverticulitis? Because Overeem dropped both of them with body shots.

Overeem has the most powerful knees to body in the history of MMA. And he cracked Brock with two flush ones, then landed a digging roundhouse to the liver.

Those kicks illicit those kinds of grimace and drop reactions commonly in MMA. Remember when Mirko did it to Herring and Magomedov? I don't recall them having diverticulitis.

Brock got his body struck by the hardest knee-striker in the sport. This is what happens. He just turtled up once he did get dropped and didn't try to fight back.

May 29, 2012  11:30 AM ET

And more to the thread topic:

Brock is nowhere in the rankings until he has at least one fight under his belt. Let him fight Carwin again, or maybe Miocic.

JDS, Overeem, Werdum, Barnett, DC, Mir, Nelson, Miocic, and others are all for sure over top of Lesnar.

May 29, 2012  11:53 AM ET
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All right, can we all give up the "he lost because he had diverticulitis" story. There is no evidence of this.Did Werdum have diverticulitis? Did Duffee have diverticulitis? Because Overeem dropped both of them with body shots.Overeem has the most powerful knees to body in the history of MMA. And he cracked Brock with two flush ones, then landed a digging roundhouse to the liver. Those kicks illicit those kinds of grimace and drop reactions commonly in MMA. Remember when Mirko did it to Herring and Magomedov? I don't recall them having diverticulitis. Brock got his body struck by the hardest knee-striker in the sport. This is what happens. He just turtled up once he did get dropped and didn't try to fight back.

there is no evidence to suggest otherwise either....Overeem dropping other people at other times has NO bearing on whether it would have that effect on Lesnar....there is also nothing to suggest that Lesnar wouldn't have continued to steamroll everyone if he hadn't suffered from Diverticulitis....did anyone seriously think Overeem would have had a chance if Lesnar got him to the ground? No sane people thought that....It was always a matter of where the fight occurred and we know that Lesnar started to have trouble taking his opponents down after his first bout of the illness....thus, all info points to the likelihood that the diverticulitis was the primary cause for a change in Lesnar and therefore, the obvious reason that Overeem won...Overeem never showed a great takedown defense at any previous time in his career...Suddenly, one of the best guys at takedowns can't take down a guy that is easy to take down and you think it has nothing to do with the known illness? Yes, Overeem has powerful knees, but you gloss over whether he would have had a chance to even throw them if not for Lesnar's illness.....Overeem can't throw a strong knee when he's on his back....

May 29, 2012  11:58 AM ET
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And more to the thread topic:Brock is nowhere in the rankings until he has at least one fight under his belt. Let him fight Carwin again, or maybe Miocic.JDS, Overeem, Werdum, Barnett, DC, Mir, Nelson, Miocic, and others are all for sure over top of Lesnar.

you'd have to be insane to put Mir above Lesnar....Lesnar mauled him the first time with the outcome being a result of bad reffing, and Lesnar mauled him the second time....there would be NO reason to think Lesnar wouldn't maul Mir a third time if they were to fight again....Werdum hasn't done anything except expose a myth in Fedor....but then, so has everyone else since...are we to put Bigfoot and Hendo in there as top HWs because they beat a protected record? And of all the HWs to miss, Cain, who actually has a win over Lesnar, was the most notable...

May 29, 2012  12:34 PM ET

You'd be insane to even put Lesnar on any active/current MMA rankings, he's done with MMA for now and signed with a Pro Wrestling Company (WWE) for at least the next year.

Until Lesnar says he's going back into MMA and signs again with UFC any spot he takes up on current MMA rankings is just a pipe dream!

May 29, 2012  01:35 PM ET
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You'd be insane to even put Lesnar on any active/current MMA rankings, he's done with MMA for now and signed with a Pro Wrestling Company (WWE) for at least the next year.Until Lesnar says he's going back into MMA and signs again with UFC any spot he takes up on current MMA rankings is just a pipe dream!

He's just as active as any other fighter that doesn't yet have a future fight scheduled, like Carwin....regardless of who he is employed by at the moment, all relevant info indicates he'd still beat Mir....if Anderson Silva retired tomorrow, would he suddenly stop being the top p4p fighter? No....because we all know that he could come out of retirement the next day and still beat the crap out of any MW out there....

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May 29, 2012  07:31 PM ET

from a fan standpoint, the heavyweight division is not the same without him.

like him personally or not, he truly was the man. he is the only fighter who would truly fight anyone, anywhere, anytime.

and he did this by learning on the fly.

his ufc record is tremendous. ALL of his fights were against top-tier talent. zero padding of his record.

all this was accomplished despite the fact that he started with absolutely no experience, and sandwiched it all between two life threatening bouts of diverticulitis, one with surgery, and a case of mono.

win or lose, none of his fights were boring, action start to finish. mir twice, carwin, cain, couture, herring and overreem. wow. no fighter in any division of any fighting sport can show they fought that level of competition in their entire career, let alone doing it in 3 or 4 years.

but from a reality standpoint, (this is my personal opinion of course), brock simply lost the edge because of his illness. even if he gets a clean bill of health from the doctors, i just dont think he has the desire to fight anymore.

the time off and the near-death experience seemed to steer him toward his family more and he doesnt seem to have that raging beast inside him anymore.

and in the heavyweight division, if you dont have that burning desire to be the best, then it is best to move on with your life. better to walk away relatively healthy and not end up like tim sylva or nogs.

May 29, 2012  10:08 PM ET
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JDS, Overeem, Werdum, Barnett, DC, Mir, Nelson, Miocic, and others are all for sure over top of Lesnar.

Where would you guys rank Cormier in the division now after winning the GP? And would you give him a shot at JDS when he joins UFC or fight another top guy first?

 
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