MMA  > General MMA  > Loki thought Clay Guida fought a great fight
June 23, 2012, 04:34 PM
What a tremendous performance huh Loki? Wow, loved that Guida gameplan. Running like a b itch for 5 rounds. Awesome stuff.
June 24, 2012  01:30 PM ET

There is no denying the impact and success that the Jackson/Winkeljohn team has had in the UFC but they gotta be stopped. The UFC has been full of these fights lately. Great, aggressive fighters being neutered by a stick and move gameplan(Guida was more move than stick). I'm all for fighting smart but this is ridiculous. To add insult to injury, these fighters come to the post fight press conference and say they had a good fight, and whoever can't see that is just dumb and doesn't know the sport. What a load of crap! So I'll just say right now that Clay Guida lost a fan and if Greg Jackson somehow keeps brainwashing his fighters to fight for points, then the whole stinkin gym will lose a fan. Not a big threat alone but I can't be the only one thinking this.

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June 25, 2012  12:23 AM ET
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I texted a few guys saying that if the judges gave Guida that fight, then that would be a nail in the coffin for MMA. I cannot believe a judge actually scored that fight for Guida.It was a discgrace of a fight and a black eye for MMA. F Jackson and F Guida.

To start with I am just askin a question so don't get all Loki syndrome on me. Let's say you were the one fighting and new the guy had better power than you and could stop you if he touched you, what would you do ? Zombie Gorilla you can chime in also.
I watched the fight also and was saying I would rather get K.T.F.O. than dance around all night like a monkey.

June 25, 2012  08:56 AM ET
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I texted a few guys saying that if the judges gave Guida that fight, then that would be a nail in the coffin for MMA. I cannot believe a judge actually scored that fight for Guida.It was a discgrace of a fight and a black eye for MMA. F Jackson and F Guida.

not that Guida deserved to win, but why are you so surprised that a judge thought he won? Guida was technically more active and could have been considered more aggressive by throwing more punches even if they were just at the air to keep Maynard at distance. Guida did maintain ring control for pretty much the entire fight. He made Maynard chase and miss, wasting Maynard's energy and frustrating him...However, Guida was incapable of taking advantage of any of it... Exactly how was Maynard scoring points by constantly chasing and missing Guida? Guida didn't do a damn thing to earn any points either but just as lay and pray is a boring way to score a few points while mainly neutralizing your opponent's ability to score points, Guida's dancing does the same against striking....his idea was to stick and move, as gorilla mentioned, but he certainly wasn't sticking enough and spent way too much time moving....the only thing that really won the fight for Maynard was what Maynard did when he managed to get ahold of Guida...Maynard actually risked losing by giving Guida those open shots to the face despite the fact that they did nothing to Maynard...But you seem to think that a fighter acting frustrated should earn them points...ultimately, when scoring, Guida running away while Maynard charges and hits air MIGHT score a little for Guida for avoiding the attack but scores nothing for Maynard because he kept hitting air...Guida running when Maynard wasn't charging doesn't cost him points even if you think it should...he hides the running by making it his "style"...Since that was MOST of the fight, if not for Maynard unleashing whatever he could when he finally caught Guida, it would have been Guida's win...you simply cannot give the win to a guy for FAILING to catch someone who is running away....an argument could be made that Maynard simply refused to engage a target that wasn't standing still as if he required a stationary target to fight. Luckily, however, Maynard was able to catch Guida and throw some good strikes that swayed the score just enough...And I have to agree with everyone that Guida lost quite a few fans....he was a fan favorite because of his activity in the cage was like an ADHD kid on meth and LSD. But now that he threw several clean strikes that landed flush on Maynard's chin with NO effect, people see him as more of a dancing clown.

June 25, 2012  08:57 AM ET

not that Guida deserved to win, but why are you so surprised that a judge thought he won? Guida was technically more active and could have been considered more aggressive by throwing more punches even if they were just at the air to keep Maynard at distance. Guida did maintain ring control for pretty much the entire fight. He made Maynard chase and miss, wasting Maynard's energy and frustrating him...However, Guida was incapable of taking advantage of any of it... Exactly how was Maynard scoring points by constantly chasing and missing Guida? Guida didn't do a damn thing to earn any points either but just as lay and pray is a boring way to score a few points while mainly neutralizing your opponent's ability to score points, Guida's dancing does the same against striking....his idea was to stick and move, as gorilla mentioned, but he certainly wasn't sticking enough and spent way too much time moving....the only thing that really won the fight for Maynard was what Maynard did when he managed to get ahold of Guida...Maynard actually risked losing by giving Guida those open shots to the face despite the fact that they did nothing to Maynard...But you seem to think that a fighter acting frustrated should earn them points...ultimately, when scoring, Guida running away while Maynard charges and hits air MIGHT score a little for Guida for avoiding the attack but scores nothing for Maynard because he kept hitting air...Guida running when Maynard wasn't charging doesn't cost him points even if you think it should...he hides the running by making it his "style"...Since that was MOST of the fight, if not for Maynard unleashing whatever he could when he finally caught Guida, it would have been Guida's win...you simply cannot give the win to a guy for FAILING to catch someone who is running away....an argument could be made that Maynard simply refused to engage a target that wasn't standing still as if he required a stationary target to fight. Luckily, however, Maynard was able to catch Guida and throw some good strikes that swayed the score just enough...And I have to agree with everyone that Guida lost quite a few fans....he was a fan favorite because of his activity in the cage was like an ADHD kid on meth and LSD. But now that he threw several clean strikes that landed flush on Maynard's chin with NO effect, people see him as more of a dancing clown.

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June 25, 2012  12:12 PM ET
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My ADD acted up 2 sentences in, but Guida was warned multiple times for his running away. If anything, he should have been deducted points for the way he "fought."

I am not disagreeing, I am merely pointing out that what he was doing was ALSO preventing his opponent from scoring....so it was 0-0 at the end EXCEPT for the few times Maynard got his hands on Guida which determined the outcome. One judge obviously felt that Guida's constant motion and activity meant something significant.

June 25, 2012  05:31 PM ET
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Keep my hands up, my chin down, and try and be technically more sound in my striking than my opponent. I'd also mix things up more, as far as clinching against the cage, work in some dirty boxing, or even try to get the fight to the mat.

Taking GM down isn't that easy. Guida should have moved to the SIDE instead of back. GM knows NOTHING about cutting the cage off, and clay could have gotten out of trouble spots.

Condit won by countering and attacking when he could.
Clay countered by channeling Kalib and attacking with his hair.

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June 26, 2012  02:45 AM ET

The fight was a disgrace and Clay's "performance" was shocking.

I like tactical fighters. But that wasn't being tactical, that was running away from the fight.

June 26, 2012  02:57 AM ET

Has anyone seen the Roger Huerta head kick finish at One FC this weekend?

Talk about one of the most brutal finishes ever...

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June 26, 2012  05:48 AM ET
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Absolutely brutal. Moreira looked like he didn't know whether or not to celebrate after.

Yeah. It has been a LONG time since I have seen something like that. It was a field goal with Huerta's head.

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June 26, 2012  10:53 AM ET
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Stuff like that does not belong in MMA. I know people loved Pride because of soccer kicks and foot stomps but it needs to be eliminated. The UFC working with commissions has done a great job cleaning that crap up. Soccer kicks to downed opponents doesn't show skill at all. Time to retire it.

I don't mind soccer kicks but I have to say that that particular one sent chivers down my spine.

I don't think I saw a soccer kick as clean as that one in PRIDE.

June 26, 2012  10:54 AM ET

And talk about Roger Huerta going downhill from SI cover to a string of losses against not so elite opponents.

June 26, 2012  11:03 AM ET

*shivers

 
June 26, 2012  12:21 PM ET
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And talk about Roger Huerta going downhill from SI cover to a string of losses against not so elite opponents.

the bright point in his career was a bar fight....he beat 3 decent fighters and a lot of bums before his losing streak....his opponents weren't typically skilled enough to be considered cans...

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