The preseason is about getting your timing down...If the Bears look as good against the Giants as they did against the Redskins...Starters need to play no more 3 possessions and none in the final preseason game, especially since it is on the road. That will give them a good look at the border line players so that they can establish good depth, since we know how important it is.
The goal is not looking good in tune up games, but winning the NFC North and getting a bye in the first round of the playoffs...which is very achievable.
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.The goal is not looking good in tune up games, but winning the NFC North and getting a bye in the first round of the playoffs...which is very achievable.
You hit the nail on the head with this BGDUECE. We have a TEAM that has many good and above starters with many adequate ones. Add in injuries and only God knows what, or who we will have at the end of the season.
What I really want solved in the next 12 months is our O-line. Either in the play of the current players or in the off season. Emery could try for a trade or finding someone between now and the regular season, but any way you look at it they just need to prove themselves or hit the highway! I'm only convinced that Gabe Carimi is going to be here 2 years from now. Other than that anyone's guess is as good as Mike Tice's!!! GO BEARS!!!
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On evaluating the offensive line I completely agree with you. It's as simple as can this offensive lineman block an elite pass rusher.
But in terms of offensive play calls and game planning, I'd be a lot more hesitant. Teams scale it back and primarily save their best looks, plays, game planning, etc for the regular season. So you can never be entirely sure of what you're seeing in the preseason, in terms of how it will translate into the regular season. Especially teams with a veteran QB. And when you consider they're playing Green Bay in Week 2, my guess is they're going to hold back as much as they can, so that the Packers can't game plan against their best new play schemes.
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On evaluating the offensive line I completely agree with you. It's as simple as can this offensive lineman block an elite pass rusher.But in terms of offensive play calls and game planning, I'd be a lot more hesitant. Teams scale it back and primarily save their best looks, plays, game planning, etc for the regular season. So you can never be entirely sure of what you're seeing in the preseason, in terms of how it will translate into the regular season. Especially teams with a veteran QB. And when you consider they're playing Green Bay in Week 2, my guess is they're going to hold back as much as they can, so that the Packers can't game plan against their best new play schemes.
They looked a whole lot better with Chris Williams at LT and Chilo Rachal at LG...this team is go to have to be dealt with, unless they have a ton of injuries...if not Lovie is gone... and that is a win, win situation.
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...if not Lovie is gone... and that is a win, win situation.
Man do I LOVE the way you think!!!
Our Boy Roy said that Williams and Chilo did worse. At least that's what I understood when I watched his video, and I thought he was right. Sorry but I disagree with your thinking on this one BGDUECE.
Sure they are going to hold back some (UN). But if they hold back too much they run the risk of getting Jay killed. That to me isn't going to be allowed, so I expect that this will be the most accurate game, or most like a regular game, of the preseason so far for the Bears. IF and I said IF!!! the O-line can block the Giants. If not I wouldn't expect them to have Jay in for more than ONE series! At least that's what I would do! Go BEARS!!!
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Our Boy Roy said that Williams and Chilo did worse. At least that's what I understood when I watched his video, and I thought he was right. Sorry but I disagree with your thinking on this one BGDUECE.
Forget Roy, he is a drunk. With Webb and Spencer in they had to keep in a TE and the RB for extra support, you can't do that all the time, or they will just blitz you crazy since they have no responsibility.
Williams & Rachal did OK in one-on-one blocks, something Webb and Spencer are having a hard time with...if Spencer does not do better, he may be cut.
I'm very dissapointed in Spencer this year. He did so much better last season. I don't know what's going on? GO BEARS!!!
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But like I said earlier this game will tell us alot of what kind of season is ahead of us. GO BEARS!!!
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I'm very dissapointed in Spencer this year. He did so much better last season. I don't know what's going on? GO BEARS!!!
It is too early to be concerned about Spencer. The OL takes more time to gell than the other units.
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But like I said earlier this game will tell us alot of what kind of season is ahead of us. GO BEARS!!!
This game is meaningless in determining the kind of season we will have as it's still only a preseason game. I never get too concerned over preseason games as most teams play many rookies and also are very vanilla in their schemes. I'm sure the team will be ready and able once the regular season starts.
The third pre-season game is usually the one in which coaches typically use to judge where their teams starters are at going into the regular season. It's the one pre-season game in which there is a little game planning and starters usually play into the third quarter. It is still pre-season and does not count towards any records, stats or standings but is not meaningless by any means. Tice himself said this game would decide who starts at LT, it will also determine a couple other position battles that has gone on during training camp, defiantly not as meaningless as some may think.
The fourth pre-season game is the one in which the starters are typically rested all game long and the second and third stringers battle it out for a spot on the team, some can say this is meaningless as well but determines the depth and quality behind the starters. Something of importance since injuries happen and sometimes these second and third stringers get called upon to determine the outcome of a teams season.
While pre-season games are considered meaningless by some they serve a valuable purpose to the coaches and team. It is also an audition for some players as teams look to possibly fill any voids or team needs due to either unfortunate injuries or simply a better player hitting the open market due to a team possibly deep at that particular position.
I guess it all depends on an individuals definition of meaningless.
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But like I said earlier this game will tell us alot of what kind of season is ahead of us. GO BEARS!!!
BF,
Good luck with yer 's and BGD and GSH's BEARS this year!
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It is too early to be concerned about Spencer. The OL takes more time to gell than the other units.
dd,
I agree on that as one of our guards[we bought for 6 milly] managed too get a season long injury,in the 1st game of the preseason. so thats a major concern right now.
As this can [and probably will happen too most others as well.] so best of luck on that! Just hope it doesn't happen is all you can do.
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Man do I LOVE the way you think!!! Our Boy Roy said that Williams and Chilo did worse. At least that's what I understood when I watched his video, and I thought he was right. Sorry but I disagree with your thinking on this one BGDUECE.Sure they are going to hold back some (UN). But if they hold back too much they run the risk of getting Jay killed. That to me isn't going to be allowed, so I expect that this will be the most accurate game, or most like a regular game, of the preseason so far for the Bears. IF and I said IF!!! the O-line can block the Giants. If not I wouldn't expect them to have Jay in for more than ONE series! At least that's what I would do! Go BEARS!!!
I think Roy is right in his summation I do the same and record the games and re-watch plays frame by frame and when you analyze/scrutinize plays over and over frame by frame you notice little things like foot work, hand placement etc. We will see how Williams and Webb play against the Giants and it should be revealing. Part of me wants Williams to win this due to how they both fared against Jared Allen, the other part of me simply wants the player in there that does the best job to protect Cutler's blind side and give him the time he needs in the pocket.
This could be the season the offense actually is on par with the defense and that's a good thing but it all hinges on the O-Line as it does with any team. The O-line is the engine block of the offense and what allows the engine to hit on all cylinders so to speak.
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The third pre-season game is usually the one in which coaches typically use to judge where their teams starters are at going into the regular season. It's the one pre-season game in which there is a little game planning and starters usually play into the third quarter. It is still pre-season and does not count towards any records, stats or standings but is not meaningless by any means. Tice himself said this game would decide who starts at LT, it will also determine a couple other position battles that has gone on during training camp, defiantly not as meaningless as some may think.The fourth pre-season game is the one in which the starters are typically rested all game long and the second and third stringers battle it out for a spot on the team, some can say this is meaningless as well but determines the depth and quality behind the starters. Something of importance since injuries happen and sometimes these second and third stringers get called upon to determine the outcome of a teams season. While pre-season games are considered meaningless by some they serve a valuable purpose to the coaches and team. It is also an audition for some players as teams look to possibly fill any voids or team needs due to either unfortunate injuries or simply a better player hitting the open market due to a team possibly deep at that particular position.I guess it all depends on an individuals definition of meaningless.
I agree with you as LT has too be the most important slot than the others,and you want too see as much as you can about who's going too step in and do it better.
We lost a Guard in the 1st preseason game for the year and am looking for another i would assume.
Not too mention,who yer gonna keep at the rest of the positions before waivers and cuts.
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The third pre-season game is usually the one in which coaches typically use to judge where their teams starters are at going into the regular season. It's the one pre-season game in which there is a little game planning and starters usually play into the third quarter. It is still pre-season and does not count towards any records, stats or standings but is not meaningless by any means. Tice himself said this game would decide who starts at LT, it will also determine a couple other position battles that has gone on during training camp, defiantly not as meaningless as some may think.The fourth pre-season game is the one in which the starters are typically rested all game long and the second and third stringers battle it out for a spot on the team, some can say this is meaningless as well but determines the depth and quality behind the starters. Something of importance since injuries happen and sometimes these second and third stringers get called upon to determine the outcome of a teams season. While pre-season games are considered meaningless by some they serve a valuable purpose to the coaches and team. It is also an audition for some players as teams look to possibly fill any voids or team needs due to either unfortunate injuries or simply a better player hitting the open market due to a team possibly deep at that particular position.I guess it all depends on an individuals definition of meaningless.
GSH,
I'm on the same page on that,Ya have too give all the rookies a chance too strut thier stuff,before regular season,so too me? It's alot more important than tune up games for yer 1st stringers, I would only play the 1st stringers in 1 quarter of the game,and see how the other players trying too make the team perform, as yer LT position being of utmost importance.
Getting too see what the Tackles can do.
Cuz ya just know someone is gonna get dinged up and can't afford too lose most of yer starters in preseason.
I'm sure Cincy's looking at any good quality Guards that are waivered or cut from another team. for at least more depth in that slot.
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GSH,I'm on the same page on that,Ya have too give all the rookies a chance too strut thier stuff,before regular season,so too me? It's alot more important than tune up games for yer 1st stringers, I would only play the 1st stringers in 1 quarter of the game,and see how the other players trying too make the team perform, as yer LT position being of utmost importance.Getting too see what the Tackles can do.Cuz ya just know someone is gonna get dinged up and can't afford too lose most of yer starters in preseason.I'm sure Cincy's looking at any good quality Guards that are waivered or cut from another team. for at least more depth in that slot.
Yep exactly my point, teams will defiantly look over their current rosters and evaluate any of these rookies or even vets that may get cut to bolster their own rosters. I wouldn't exactly call it meaningless if you can improve your team going into the regular season. I hate to see injuries to any teams roster and some view these pre-season games as simply a waste and sometimes needless injuries do occur during these games but a necessary evil IMO. I can't imagine teams going straight from training camp to the regular season and only having training camp as an evaluator to shape a roster for both vets and rookies because most training camps now days are ran pretty soft due to the NFLPA's new regulations. Pre-season games lets the coaches evaluate players in real game situations and not simply practicing against one another, there is simply certain things that coaches cannot evaluate during camp.
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Yep exactly my point, teams will defiantly look over their current rosters and evaluate any of these rookies or even vets that may get cut to bolster their own rosters. I wouldn't exactly call it meaningless if you can improve your team going into the regular season. I hate to see injuries to any teams roster and some view these pre-season games as simply a waste and sometimes needless injuries do occur during these games but a necessary evil IMO. I can't imagine teams going straight from training camp to the regular season and only having training camp as an evaluator to shape a roster for both vets and rookies because most training camps now days are ran pretty soft due to the NFLPA's new regulations. Pre-season games lets the coaches evaluate players in real game situations and not simply practicing against one another, there is simply certain things that coaches cannot evaluate during camp.
The preseason is a chance for the coaches to evaluate their roster and number of wins is really secondary. Most teams play very basic schemes in the preseason and don't show their hand until the regular season starts. When I said meaningless I was referring to how many wins a team gets in the preseason and not to player evaluation.
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Yep exactly my point, teams will defiantly look over their current rosters and evaluate any of these rookies or even vets that may get cut to bolster their own rosters. I wouldn't exactly call it meaningless if you can improve your team going into the regular season. I hate to see injuries to any teams roster and some view these pre-season games as simply a waste and sometimes needless injuries do occur during these games but a necessary evil IMO. I can't imagine teams going straight from training camp to the regular season and only having training camp as an evaluator to shape a roster for both vets and rookies because most training camps now days are ran pretty soft due to the NFLPA's new regulations. Pre-season games lets the coaches evaluate players in real game situations and not simply practicing against one another, there is simply certain things that coaches cannot evaluate during camp.
Agreed,
Those 4 games shape what you want and expect,the Vets but mostly the rooks and udfa and fas' performances,before the 1st game of regular season,cuz,they won't get another chance too decide when someone gets injured and looking at the ones you kept or regret not taking.
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