MMA  > General MMA  > If you could bring ONE participant from UFC 1-5 and have him start his career today, who would it be?
September 6, 2012, 12:58 PM
Joao: Dan Severn. 54 and still fighting, over 120 MMA fights. For some reason they call him ???The Beast???; very strong and powerful and his wrestling base would fit today???s MMA landscape like a glove. Put a young Severn training today at a good MMA camp and he will slam and ground ???n pound more opponents than not.
I also considered Royce Gracie and Ken Shamrock. But Royce???s BJJ would be extremely outdated today and we did see a glimpse of, albeit not so young, Ken Shamrock in the mainstream days of the sport.

Jim: Guy Mezger. Mezger was the most well rounded fighter from those early UFC events. His kickboxing was fantastic and he had a good submission game, but he had some bad luck along the way. His decision losses to Arona and Lil Nog come to mind. He was forced to retire early because of health reasons but Guy would still be able to compete with today???s fighters because of his skill set.

Collin: I love the Guy Mezger pick, very well thought out. I would have to say that I would pick the King of The Lions Den, Ken Shamrock instead though. Ken was one of the most skilled grapplers in the world at his time. He started out as a one dimensional fighter, and by the time he started rounding out to fit the times his body was already falling apart. His sprawl and brawl style that he employed in the Otsuka and Fujita fights showcased great boxing and terrific defensive wrestling. Add to that his unmatched skill in leg locks at that time, and you have a super special fighter.

David:Ohh Mezger, forgot about him. Stunned no one said Gracie. I???m really shocked Collin didn???t go Oleg Taktarov. Oleg was the original Iceman in the cage, and unlike other one-dimensional guys in the early days, Oleg knew Sambo and Judo, and went on to learn submission wrestling.

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September 6, 2012  08:28 PM ET

No love for Joe Son

September 7, 2012  12:20 AM ET
QUOTE(#1):

No love for Joe Son

They got lots of love for Joe Son... in prison.

September 7, 2012  07:32 AM ET

Why only one? I'd bring em ALL foward in time to prove how bad they really were...totally different class of athlete today, MMA is no longer filled with brawlers

September 7, 2012  08:18 AM ET
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Why only one? I'd bring em ALL foward in time to prove how bad they really were...totally different class of athlete today, MMA is no longer filled with brawlers

thats what the Q said.

September 7, 2012  10:35 AM ET
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Why only one? I'd bring em ALL foward in time to prove how bad they really were...totally different class of athlete today, MMA is no longer filled with brawlers

I agree with what you say, all of them would get smashed today as they were.

But bear in mind the question was if they were starting their careers today. Meaning that you would choose the guy you believe would have the best raw ability, along with today's quality of training and camps, to be able to compete.

I actually like Jim's pick over mine, but I simply didn't think of Mezger.

September 7, 2012  10:45 AM ET
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I agree with what you say, all of them would get smashed today as they were.But bear in mind the question was if they were starting their careers today. Meaning that you would choose the guy you believe would have the best raw ability, along with today's quality of training and camps, to be able to compete.I actually like Jim's pick over mine, but I simply didn't think of Mezger.

same deal....it isn't the training that makes today's athlete's better than yesteryear's MMA fighters....it's the fact that MMA is now filled with actual ATHLETES...

September 7, 2012  12:20 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

I agree with what you say, all of them would get smashed today as they were.But bear in mind the question was if they were starting their careers today. Meaning that you would choose the guy you believe would have the best raw ability, along with today's quality of training and camps, to be able to compete.I actually like Jim's pick over mine, but I simply didn't think of Mezger.

No love for Oleg?

Sambo, Judo and Submission Wrestling?

September 10, 2012  08:35 AM ET
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No love for Oleg?Sambo, Judo and Submission Wrestling?

raw ability....translates into a simple fact that all of the true top athletes go into other sports like football because there is MUCH more money to be made...Oleg was only good compared to other people that weren't good enough to make it in the NFL...keep in mind that the best wrestlers are typically guys that were still not good enough for football in HS so they went a different route...even today, it is rare that a top athlete is in MMA, but it's getting better...as time goes on, assuming Dana doesn't over saturate the market and kill MMA's puberty-like growth spurt, more top athletes will try MMA.....

September 10, 2012  08:35 AM ET
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No love for Oleg?Sambo, Judo and Submission Wrestling?

raw ability....translates into a simple fact that all of the true top athletes go into other sports like football because there is MUCH more money to be made...Oleg was only good compared to other people that weren't good enough to make it in the NFL...keep in mind that the best wrestlers are typically guys that were still not good enough for football in HS so they went a different route...even today, it is rare that a top athlete is in MMA, but it's getting better...as time goes on, assuming Dana doesn't over saturate the market and kill MMA's puberty-like growth spurt, more top athletes will try MMA.....

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September 11, 2012  08:49 AM ET
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I know when I was in HS, football was in fall and wrestling was in winter. Usually the kids who got cut from basketball (also winter sport) went out for wrestling.

Our wrestling started at least a month before football ended...and it was always the guys that failed to make the football team....the sad part was that I wrestled at 103 in HS before gaining 6" and 77 lbs over the summer between HS and college and I could beat our varsity 173 lb guy....not by pin of course but by points...

September 13, 2012  01:18 PM ET

I'd say Shamrock. Dude was pretty talented even by those days standards. No love for "the Wall"?

 
September 13, 2012  01:29 PM ET
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I'd say Shamrock. Dude was pretty talented even by those days standards. No love for "the Wall"?

Shamrock was a BUM....he beat up people that were lesser fighters than KIMBO....then he faced a MUCH smaller opponent with actual training but no athleticism and got beat....If Shamrock fought Kimbo, I'd bet Kimbo would somehow win

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