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November 12, 2012, 01:56 PM
Assuming both teams end up 11-1 at the end of the regular season what exactly is the argument for Bama being ranked higher than UF? Again this assumes that the SEC CC game is 5 days away and both teams wrap up the season with wins up until that point. Its very hard to see why everyone is so in love with a team that will have beaten one ranked team all season at the expense of a team that has beaten 3 top 10 teams (or top 15 if a 2 loss FSU is around 12th or so). Just wondering what the SEC crowd has to say on this.
November 12, 2012  01:59 PM ET

BTW, this question makes the assumption that SCAR will beat Clemson and tOSU will beat TSUN.

November 12, 2012  02:05 PM ET

Forgot to mention the other part of the question-UF lost to a 1 loss UGA team at a 50/50 site game and Bama lost to a 2-loss TAMU team at home.

November 12, 2012  03:03 PM ET

Bama bias. The power of Lucifer. The use of stats to justify. Viewership ratings. How team colors appear in HD. The Indwelling vs The Stare. Whatever angle you take, if both teams win out, Bama's ranked above UF.

Fair? FAIR?!? Just what has ever been fair about the polls? Hmm?

Throw out the rankings, compare the teams' accomplishments, add perspective on the recent history, and you may be able to make a case for a Southeastern Bowl choosing UF over Bama.

Now, if UGA wins the SEC CG, then UF is ranked above Bama and is preferred choice for Bowls.

November 12, 2012  03:35 PM ET

I'm guessing that the conference championship game will influence the end of regular season rankings. Bama will be playing and Florida will be at home.

November 12, 2012  04:14 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

I'm guessing that the conference championship game will influence the end of regular season rankings. Bama will be playing and Florida will be at home.

Yes, but that is beside the point of the question. Right now Bama is ahead of UF and UF has already played a harder slate than has Bama. Bama's last two games are laughers and UF still has FSU to go. I just can't figure out any sane reason that Bama should be ahead of UF until AFTER the SEC CC game.

November 12, 2012  04:32 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

Yes, but that is beside the point of the question. Right now Bama is ahead of UF and UF has already played a harder slate than has Bama. Bama's last two games are laughers and UF still has FSU to go. I just can't figure out any sane reason that Bama should be ahead of UF until AFTER the SEC CC game.

I'm not disagreeing with you but Georgia has played a much easier schedule than Bama and they are also ahead of Florida.

Goes to the point that head to head is overemphasized by most folks, including voters.

You can't do anything about the powers that be that made head to head the tiebreaker. Their assumption is that all SEC games are created equal. In other words playing Texas A&M is the same as playing Auburn and playing LSU is the same as playing Ole Miss.

November 12, 2012  04:44 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

I just can't figure out any sane reason that Bama should be ahead of UF

You've solved your own riddle.

November 13, 2012  11:26 AM ET
QUOTE(#7):

You've solved your own riddle.

Good enough.

November 13, 2012  11:30 AM ET
QUOTE(#6):

I'm not disagreeing with you but Georgia has played a much easier schedule than Bama and they are also ahead of Florida. Goes to the point that head to head is overemphasized by most folks, including voters. You can't do anything about the powers that be that made head to head the tiebreaker. Their assumption is that all SEC games are created equal. In other words playing Texas A&M is the same as playing Auburn and playing LSU is the same as playing Ole Miss.

Hmmm. Head to head is odd when you factor in LSU and TAMU as common opponents that UF and Bama have both faced. IMHO this is an easy demonstration of the power of ESPN. Yell crap like "eyeball test" loud and long enough and you start swinging a lot of voters a bit...

November 13, 2012  12:05 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

Hmmm. Head to head is odd when you factor in LSU and TAMU as common opponents that UF and Bama have both faced. IMHO this is an easy demonstration of the power of ESPN. Yell crap like "eyeball test" loud and long enough and you start swinging a lot of voters a bit...

yea but GA smacked my Gators in the mouth so they are ahead in the east Bama is ahead in the west it,s just geography it sucks but thats the way it is and as it is Fla is so one dim, i believe they have it right to this point how ever i do also believe that LUS is the best team in the SEC at the moment but that could change................

November 13, 2012  12:34 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

Hmmm. Head to head is odd when you factor in LSU and TAMU as common opponents that UF and Bama have both faced. IMHO this is an easy demonstration of the power of ESPN. Yell crap like "eyeball test" loud and long enough and you start swinging a lot of voters a bit...

"Eyeball test" lends itself to offensive football teams. Bama has a better offense, only position group UF has an edge over Bama is TE/HB/FB. UF's biggest strength is in Special Teams, those stats rarely show up in a box score or a ESPN highlight reel.

November 13, 2012  12:35 PM ET

BCS bowl games are likely going to pick Bama or TAMU if UGA wins.

November 13, 2012  12:45 PM ET
QUOTE(#12):

BCS bowl games are likely going to pick Bama or TAMU if UGA wins.

Yeah your right i still believe that this off season we need recievers and better pass blocking so maybe next year we can become a little more well rounded and not so predictable i mean smash mouth football is ok but it needs to have at least the threat that we will throw the ball for either one to be successful......

November 13, 2012  12:48 PM ET
QUOTE(#11):

"Eyeball test" lends itself to offensive football teams. Bama has a better offense, only position group UF has an edge over Bama is TE/HB/FB. UF's biggest strength is in Special Teams, those stats rarely show up in a box score or a ESPN highlight reel.

Maybe most of the time, but the mighty clowns of ESPN have used the phrase about 100 times each when discussing both Oregon and Bama this year, and why they were the teams of destiny until last weekend (as opposed to KSU, ND, or others).

November 13, 2012  12:48 PM ET
QUOTE(#12):

BCS bowl games are likely going to pick Bama or TAMU if UGA wins.

If UGA wins UF would almost have to be the choice unless FSU beats them.

November 13, 2012  12:53 PM ET
QUOTE(#14):

Maybe most of the time, but the mighty clowns of ESPN have used the phrase about 100 times each when discussing both Oregon and Bama this year, and why they were the teams of destiny until last weekend (as opposed to KSU, ND, or others).

Yea and listening to grand father Louie Holtz and all his right wing campaining will make you nautious, Jesse Palmer and his weekly mancrushes, David Pollock is an idiot, and your right all they seem to know is the eyeball test... from here on out all im listening to is the Tin Man ........

November 13, 2012  12:59 PM ET

It is obvious that people on this site (and poll voters) have a lot of differences in how they assess a team's ranking.

Of course there is such a thing as an eyeball test, but when should it be applied? Another word for eyeball test is which team would you put your last $1,000 on in a must game situation.

Imo, eyeball test should only be applied when teams have a similar of close to similar set of accomplishments. That is in most cases the same record and a roughly equivalent strength of schedule. My point earlier is that Georgia's SOS is nowhere near Florida's.

And I would lay my money on Florida in a rematch over Georgia assumine Driscoll is healthy enough. The oddsmakers would make the game close to even on a neutral field but likely make Florida a couple of points favorite. A three turnover margin goes a long way toward a victory on teams that are in the same ball park talent wise.

Ultimately then, the reason Georgia is ranked higher than Florida is the head to head bias that has been discussed on these boards.

November 13, 2012  01:13 PM ET

Great Point and you are right Florida does have a much better resume than most teams out there including Notre Dame but in reality Florida can really only run the ball and have not done that well of late, And have great special teams except for punt return (andre debose ) who is scared to return the ball, but play great defense, GA on the other hand is much more balanced and when they do not play down to the competion are much more explosive...

November 13, 2012  01:21 PM ET
QUOTE(#15):

If UGA wins UF would almost have to be the choice unless FSU beats them.

While UF fans would travel well, UF will be a ratings nightmare. UF plays ugly. No one besides UF fans want to watch UF play. TV Viewers like 50 points by both sides.

 
November 13, 2012  01:24 PM ET
QUOTE(#18):

Great Point and you are right Florida does have a much better resume than most teams out there including Notre Dame but in reality Florida can really only run the ball and have not done that well of late, And have great special teams except for punt return (andre debose ) who is scared to return the ball, but play great defense, GA on the other hand is much more balanced and when they do not play down to the competion are much more explosive...

I take it you think Georgia is the better team then overall. I don't, we disagree.

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