If the rumors are true, and Barkley is out for USC next week, ND's chances improve greatly. Let's give them the win. So who do they face? Either Bama or Georgia will lose to the other. Oregon might not even play in their conference championship game. K State has a showdown with Texas, and that now looks a lot tougher than it did two days ago. If I were laying odds among these teams I'd give FSU the best chance, followed by UGA. The SEC Championship is essentially a home game for them. Then again, the many forces at play (that will not be named) probably favor Alabama.
I guess we'll know for sure in two weeks.
tOSU has the best case for purists who insist that the regular season matters, should ND falter against USC...
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If I were laying odds among these teams I'd give FSU the best chance,
Even if every team ranked ahead of FSU loses, I think FSU still wouldn't have a chance. Did you see where the dumb ass computers have FSU ranked? One of them didn't have them in the top 25!! FSU is ranked 17th in the computers. I don't see them overcoming this. What kind of info are these people putting in the computers? IDIOTS
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Same old song and dance.
Be careful there, or I will have to whip out my big 10 inch
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Even if every team ranked ahead of FSU loses, I think FSU still wouldn't have a chance. Did you see where the dumb ass computers have FSU ranked? One of them didn't have them in the top 25!! FSU is ranked 17th in the computers. I don't see them overcoming this. What kind of info are these people putting in the computers? IDIOTS
Ah... very true. And Armpit is right, I shouldn't have overlooked Ohio State. A ND loss will probably have the AP voting for Ohio State, and we'll have a split so-called championship. Just like the good old days.
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Even if every team ranked ahead of FSU loses, I think FSU still wouldn't have a chance. Did you see where the dumb ass computers have FSU ranked? One of them didn't have them in the top 25!! FSU is ranked 17th in the computers. I don't see them overcoming this. What kind of info are these people putting in the computers? IDIOTS
IMO the methodology of the computers is not that bad but the application is another story.
Basically what a computer does is assess strength of schedule and match it with a won-loss record.
Fla St. has one win against a team that would be considered upper tier(Clemson) and a loss against a team(NC ST) at home who is not considered good and who lost against an SEC team(Tennessee) that hasn't won a game in the conference. When you look at it that way the computers are just calling it the way it is.
Having said that, I believe Fla St. is a great team and had one bad night at home, but you can't expect the computers to just pull greatness out of the air from the results. The human polls will show Fla St higher because many voters vote with their gut on who they believe is the better team and not based on results.
If they beat Florida this week and they probably will (but I hope not) they will move up significantly in the computer rankings as well as some in the human polls.
Georgia is in a similar situation as Fla St in terms of results on the field, but got much more benefit of the doubt partly because they are SEC compared to ACC and partly because, though weak, the schedule is a bit stronger(but not much) than Fla St as of now. That will change after the Florida game.
I have been on the soapbox for a while about Georgia being overrated in the polls because they are largely an unproven team. They would be underdogs in a game against Fla St. just like Florida will.
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Even if every team ranked ahead of FSU loses, I think FSU still wouldn't have a chance. Did you see where the dumb ass computers have FSU ranked? One of them didn't have them in the top 25!! FSU is ranked 17th in the computers. I don't see them overcoming this. What kind of info are these people putting in the computers? IDIOTS
Not trying to lay on FSU, but since you mentioned them...here is what they have done this year to date...
Florida St. 10-1 1,026 10 1-0 52-57 Won ACC Atlantic Division
This is their record, points in the AP Poll, previous rank, record against Top 25 teams, and the cumulative record of all of their opponents. And remember that they started off playing 2 FCS teams (I know, WVU cancelled and they had to, but they did). Their opponents 52-57 records ranks them along with the Louisvilles and Utah States in the poll...not very impressive IMO
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Not trying to lay on FSU, but since you mentioned them...here is what they have done this year to date...Florida St. 10-1 1,026 10 1-0 52-57 Won ACC Atlantic DivisionThis is their record, points in the AP Poll, previous rank, record against Top 25 teams, and the cumulative record of all of their opponents. And remember that they started off playing 2 FCS teams (I know, WVU cancelled and they had to, but they did). Their opponents 52-57 records ranks them along with the Louisvilles and Utah States in the poll...not very impressive IMO
I get Fricking Scumbag U's Computer ranking being so low. However, the AP has them at 10 below 2 2 loss SEC teams. One single point.
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This would have been a great year for the new four-team playoff system. But at least it's on the way and this season provides no incentive for the powers-that-be to back out.
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This would have been a great year for the new four-team playoff system. But at least it's on the way and this season provides no incentive for the powers-that-be to back out.
They could have done it and used the BCS. It wouldn't be ideal for the people that want the new system, but at least the top 4 would have a shot when the regular season ended.
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Having said that, I believe Fla St. is a great team and had one bad night at home
Ok. For sake of accuracy, we did NOT lose at home. We lost by ONE POINT, on the road.
I'm not suggesting, by ANY stretch, that we should be considered the #1 team in the land. To imply that FSU is not one of the TOP 10 teams in the land, however, is absolutely ridiculous, as is ranking ANY 2-loss team ahead of us at this point.
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Ok. For sake of accuracy, we did NOT lose at home. We lost by ONE POINT, on the road.I'm not suggesting, by ANY stretch, that we should be considered the #1 team in the land. To imply that FSU is not one of the TOP 10 teams in the land, however, is absolutely ridiculous, as is ranking ANY 2-loss team ahead of us at this point.
EWO, I agree with you all the way, but I said in the beginning that those two FCS games were going to bite you. But, even with those, FSU deserves to be in the top 15 at the LEAST if not the top 10
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IMO the methodology of the computers is not that bad but the application is another story.Basically what a computer does is assess strength of schedule and match it with a won-loss record. Fla St. has one win against a team that would be considered upper tier(Clemson) and a loss against a team(NC ST) at home who is not considered good and who lost against an SEC team(Tennessee) that hasn't won a game in the conference. When you look at it that way the computers are just calling it the way it is.
+1. I always felt like computers are a way of having de facto conference standings. They extrapolate the games played into an imagined single conference. So when one team is above another, it's not because that team is necessarily better, it's because they have the record that shows they earned their place.
While computer polls are de factor standings, human polls are more of a prediction of ability. The voter believes the higher ranked team is likely to beat the lower ranked team.
This is why, during the first few weeks of the season, we saw Bama ahead of ND in the human polls but behind in the computers. The humans believed Bama would win the game. The computers were merely reflecting that ND had the same record over better teams.
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EWO, I agree with you all the way, but I said in the beginning that those two FCS games were going to bite you. But, even with those, FSU deserves to be in the top 15 at the LEAST if not the top 10
Yeah, our schedule. GRRRRR! I was never a fan of Dana Holgorsen OR West Virginia, to BEGIN with.
WE should not be penalized for Mr. Holgorsen's cowardice. West Virginia should take an automatic hit on their SOS, just for pulling that little stunt. Consider what that (non) game has cost us. It's maddening.
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I know, WVU cancelled and they had to...
NO! That's the big lie! They did NOT have to cancel. The week they were SUPPOSED to be getting our cleats up their asses, they instead chose to SIT on their asses. Bye Week University is who they replaced us with! Or should I say Buy Weak University?
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Yeah, our schedule. GRRRRR! I was never a fan of Dana Holgorsen OR West Virginia, to BEGIN with.WE should not be penalized for Mr. Holgorsen's cowardice. West Virginia should take an automatic hit on their SOS, just for pulling that little stunt. Consider what that (non) game has cost us. It's maddening.
I agree...there should be some punishment since they have cost you a lot. Possible BCS? Who knows...and then they had a bye on that week. Understand they can play only 12 games in thet season, but they could have selected another team to cancel.
But the saving grace is how 'well' they are doing now.....LMAO
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