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January 17, 2013, 10:36 AM
I like the idea someone floated about trading DeMarcus Ware for a slew of draft picks because I remember seeing the benefits of the Herschel Walker trade. But as long as we are talking about it, why not trade Felix Jones, Miles Austin, Doug Free, and maybe even Jay Ratlff as well. I think a lot of us fans would happily commit to a serious rebuilding effort for the future as opposed to the prevailing philosophy of trying to limp into the playoffs every year with a team held together by duct tape and over priced veterans prone to injury and past their primes because somebody's "window is closing".
January 17, 2013  10:39 AM ET

Other than Ware, you won't get much in return for those other guys. I think you'd be lucky to get a 6th round pick at best for that lot.

January 17, 2013  11:06 AM ET
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Other than Ware, you won't get much in return for those other guys. I think you'd be lucky to get a 6th round pick at best for that lot.

Then why are they on the roster if they have so little value? Maybe that should be part of the calculus - if a guy isn't worth at least a 3rd round pick after 3 years get rid of him.

January 17, 2013  12:13 PM ET

have you not been paying attention to how JJ defines 'value'? There is also the issue of guys being paid way more than their performance would dictate, such as Free and Austin.

January 17, 2013  12:55 PM ET

TxHeat's right. ware would be only player that would bring much. and it worked well when Jimmy Johnson was negotiating the players we got. with JJ doing the trading we would likely be in trouble. the main problem with this team full of holes is JJ doing the player selections and contract negotiating. it is what's killed us in the past and will continue in the future. JJ simply cannot select players that bring talent and value to the team (with the exception of a very few)

January 17, 2013  01:02 PM ET

this team has more deadwood than you will find in a bowling alley!!

January 17, 2013  06:23 PM ET
QUOTE:

I like the idea someone floated about trading DeMarcus Ware for a slew of draft picks because I remember seeing the benefits of the Herschel Walker trade. But as long as we are talking about it, why not trade Felix Jones, Miles Austin, Doug Free, and maybe even Jay Ratlff as well. I think a lot of us fans would happily commit to a serious rebuilding effort for the future as opposed to the prevailing philosophy of trying to limp into the playoffs every year with a team held together by duct tape and over priced veterans prone to injury and past their primes because somebody's "window is closing".

First off...Dallas has been rebuilding, just no one around Valley Ranch has admitted as much. If you look at the vets who were here in Wade Phillips tenure, you will see that many are gone. You will also see many young faces replacing those vets as well.

Trading Ware would net us a Round 1 pick at best and then we would need to use that pick to replace Ware...no point, especially since Ware is about to re-structure his deal to help us with the cap.

Felix Jones is a Free agent. Miles Austin has a deal that is in need of re-structuring as well. Free is a for sure goner since he is due 10m this season....Ratliff is 50-50. So trading any of those will not happen.

Dallas has a lot of very very good pieces in place. If they make a splash in free agency this offseason with the focus on the offensive and defensive lines, they can take a huge step forward.

January 17, 2013  08:07 PM ET

If they hope to make any kind of splash in the free agent market they are going to need to restructure a lot of contracts. I've read they don't have a lot of cap space.

January 17, 2013  08:32 PM ET
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this team has more deadwood than you will find in a bowling alley!!

This is the team that Jerry built. I'll bet he drafts Manti Te'o because that is the kind of guy Jerry loves.

January 18, 2013  11:53 AM ET
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If they hope to make any kind of splash in the free agent market they are going to need to restructure a lot of contracts. I've read they don't have a lot of cap space.

Right...good article on ESPN Dallas.

They showed Dallas 18 million over. By restructuring Carr, they save 10.5 million alone. Add in Witten, Austin and Ware and they save another 11 million. If they cut Free, Spears, Vickers, Connor and Spears, they save another 13 million.

Total that up and they go from 18 million over to 16 million under. Once Romo gets his extension, his cap number goes from 16.8m this season to probably like 7 or 8 million....saving another 8 million bucks.

That puts Dallas at 24 million under, which is PLENTY of dough to sign free agents, including Spencer if they really want him.

That list of free agents that is out there will enable Dallas to upgrade any and all spots needed. There is no excuse for Dallas not being able to repair their problems this year and make a run at the playoffs.

Maybe I am optimistic, but this team is NOT far away from getting into the playoffs and making noise.

January 18, 2013  01:40 PM ET
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Right...good article on ESPN Dallas.They showed Dallas 18 million over. By restructuring Carr, they save 10.5 million alone. Add in Witten, Austin and Ware and they save another 11 million. If they cut Free, Spears, Vickers, Connor and Spears, they save another 13 million.Total that up and they go from 18 million over to 16 million under. Once Romo gets his extension, his cap number goes from 16.8m this season to probably like 7 or 8 million....saving another 8 million bucks.That puts Dallas at 24 million under, which is PLENTY of dough to sign free agents, including Spencer if they really want him.That list of free agents that is out there will enable Dallas to upgrade any and all spots needed. There is no excuse for Dallas not being able to repair their problems this year and make a run at the playoffs.Maybe I am optimistic, but this team is NOT far away from getting into the playoffs and making noise.

The Cowboys are just average and illusions of this team being close to a playoff contender is just a nice dream.

January 18, 2013  02:03 PM ET
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The Cowboys are just average and illusions of this team being close to a playoff contender is just a nice dream.

1 game away from the playoffs is not an illusion...Super Bowl contender is 1 thing, playoffs is another...

January 18, 2013  02:06 PM ET
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1 game away from the playoffs is not an illusion...Super Bowl contender is 1 thing, playoffs is another...

Why just settle for maybe making the playoffs?

January 18, 2013  02:22 PM ET
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Why just settle for maybe making the playoffs?

1 step at a time my man...

This was a 6-10 team when Garrett took over. They had vets and dead money on the cap hurting them. As that dough drops off and Garrett keeps replacing them with good youth in the draft, it gets them headed in the right direction.

Granted, more is needed, but getting to the playoffs is good...after that, anyone can make a run...

The Giants are living proof of that in both of their recent Super Bowl wins...the Ravens are close to it this year.

January 18, 2013  02:23 PM ET
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1 game away from the playoffs is not an illusion...Super Bowl contender is 1 thing, playoffs is another...

each year we see the same remarks after a disappointing season. most finally see dallas for what they are and that's an average team in the NFL. a few hang on to the dream that a few tweaks here and there, and this team is back in the playoffs.

yes, dallas was one game away from being in the playoffs. big deal. romo is 1-6 in elimination games and anyone that believes he has the capacity to win if dallas were to get to a playoff game is dreaming. he chokes and all the excuses one can dream up won't rationalize the two horrible throws he had in the final game this year. this is what he does and if it's not a horrbile throw it's a fumbled snap. this is romo! he could have the OL aikman had but would still make poor decisions just like he did the final minutes of the skins game. he's had his chances and he's shown his true colors.

and it's not just romo.... from our GM to our HC, we've become the joke of the league. yes, if garrett was fired he'd likely get hired by some team, but it wouldn't be as HC. he wasn't ready and this job and likely cost us a few wins this year. as much as i'd like to climb on the "dallas is close" wagon (and i did that the last few years), the reality is we have a horrible GM, HC and very average team. we are not close to competing with the teams playing the last few weekends and likely won't be in the coming years.

January 18, 2013  02:34 PM ET
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each year we see the same remarks after a disappointing season. most finally see dallas for what they are and that's an average team in the NFL. a few hang on to the dream that a few tweaks here and there, and this team is back in the playoffs. yes, dallas was one game away from being in the playoffs. big deal. romo is 1-6 in elimination games and anyone that believes he has the capacity to win if dallas were to get to a playoff game is dreaming. he chokes and all the excuses one can dream up won't rationalize the two horrible throws he had in the final game this year. this is what he does and if it's not a horrbile throw it's a fumbled snap. this is romo! he could have the OL aikman had but would still make poor decisions just like he did the final minutes of the skins game. he's had his chances and he's shown his true colors. and it's not just romo.... from our GM to our HC, we've become the joke of the league. yes, if garrett was fired he'd likely get hired by some team, but it wouldn't be as HC. he wasn't ready and this job and likely cost us a few wins this year. as much as i'd like to climb on the "dallas is close" wagon (and i did that the last few years), the reality is we have a horrible GM, HC and very average team. we are not close to competing with the teams playing the last few weekends and likely won't be in the coming years.

Joke of the league when you are 8-8 and one of the most profitable sports franchises in the world is harsh.

Say what you will about Tony...we both will never agree on him. You cant blame the guy when he was the main reason Dallas even had a shot to begin with.

Jones is Jones...what I love about the man is that is not afraid to make moves...some work, many dont, but he tries and he will keep trying.

January 18, 2013  03:09 PM ET
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Jones is Jones...what I love about the man is that is not afraid to make moves...some work, many dont, but he tries and he will keep trying.

Jones is nothing but a rich blowhard that can't evaluate talent. He is a great evaluator of talent only in his own mind.

January 18, 2013  04:54 PM ET
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Jones is nothing but a rich blowhard that can't evaluate talent. He is a great evaluator of talent only in his own mind.

way more of JJ's picks don't work out. one playoff win in the last 16-17 yrs confirms this. and when i say joke of the league i mean this... dallas is not your typical run of the mill average NFL team. they have a history of winning, a tradition of greatness. but that's vanishing under JJ's leadership. and it is JJ's leadership that is driving this team the last 16-7 yrs. not when Jimmy was HC, but from the day he left it is all JJ. obviously, JJ is a great business man, but has no business being the football mind behind this team. he even said he'd have fired himself as gm if he wasn't the owner. that pretty much says it all. his selfishness is ahead of winning at his own admission. and the profits are coming... for now. that's what a $1.2 billion stadium will do for a team with a history like the cowboys. but fans aren't going to buy his snakeoil forever and at some those profits will begin to decline if we stay at .500 ball.

March 15, 2013  06:32 AM ET

I'm even more committed to starting over than I was when I started this thread (if that's possible). It's not too late. Trade Romo and Ware for draft picks now. Sacrifice Orton to the Defensive Ends and Linebackers around the league; go 4 and 12 for a couple of seasons; draft linemen and a new QB over the next 3 years and build for 2015 and beyond.

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March 15, 2013  11:18 AM ET
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will the cowboyz draft a qb this year as romo's hair........umm,......heir....?

not likely.... romo will get another 3-4 yr extension and dallas will focus on other areas of need, incorrectly assuming the QB position is in good hands with romo secured.

this team has so many areas of need and nobody to fix them... we are stuck in .500 ball for yrs to come!

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