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February 11, 2013, 12:01 PM
It was a stroke of genius by the Ravens coaching staff for coaching their players to hold the 49ers' rush at the end of the game. It would not have changed the outcome of the game if the holding penatly would have been called. The Ravens would have still been able to run the clock out and awarded the Niners two points if the Refs would have penalized the Ravens for holding, so the outcome wouldn't have changed. Penalties are enforced before or after, but not during play. Maybe the Niners should have had rushed everyone without a returner, but if the punt would have gotten off then there would not have been anybody back there to receive the ball and the ball could have rolled until it was killed which would have killed a lot of time. It was a win-win scenario for the Ravens. Unethical, maybe, but I think its in the gray area. Can't fault the Ravens for a great strategy at the end of the game.
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February 11, 2013  01:03 PM ET

Was it holding by the Ravens or just a lack of any real attempt to block the punt by the 49ers.

Not going full out to block that punt was another bad coaching decision by Jim H.

February 11, 2013  01:09 PM ET

Brilliant coaching. A holding call in the end zone is a safety also. Never seen that strategy employed before... (and so perfectly).

February 11, 2013  01:09 PM ET
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I didn't notice any holding on that play.

Really? It was well planned and rather obvious.

February 11, 2013  01:11 PM ET

Knowing the rules helps. Holding in the end zone (when called) results in a safety.

February 11, 2013  02:20 PM ET
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I didn't notice any holding on that play. . . .

Hold? WHAT hold? Hahahaha.

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February 11, 2013  02:25 PM ET
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If it was so obvious the officials would have called it.

It didn't matter. Holding in endzone = safety

February 11, 2013  02:30 PM ET
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It was a stroke of genius by the Ravens coaching staff for coaching their players to hold the 49ers' rush at the end of the game. It would not have changed the outcome of the game if the holding penatly would have been called. . . . It was a win-win scenario for the Ravens. Unethical, maybe, but I think its in the gray area. Can't fault the Ravens for a great strategy at the end of the game.

It was a great strategy. And impressive of John Harbaugh to think of that in the heat of the moment.

February 11, 2013  02:34 PM ET
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It was a great strategy. And impressive of John Harbaugh to think of that in the heat of the moment.

Agreed. Great coaches take advantage of anything in the rules they can to help their team win. When I saw it live, I couldn't figure out why they couldn't get to the punter for 7 seconds, but on the replay I (and everyone except maybe Tark) saw the entire line holding. Brilliant!

Great strategy.

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February 11, 2013  03:12 PM ET

Besides the obvious hold by No. 84 TE Ed Dickson, there was an all out take down tackle of 49ers No. 27 C.J. Spillman. Funny thing is the outcome of the game doesn't change if it's called or not. Same result, same time runs off clock. The importance is just the lack of credibility of officials. How do you not call holding when it's so blatant and intentional? Just reflects on the refs . . . not the outcome of the game.

The NFL should be embarrassed, and the refs who blew it should be reprimanded/demoted at least, and canned at most. There's really no excuse or explanation for it - hard to say "We missed it" with any credibility.

February 11, 2013  04:04 PM ET
QUOTE(#14):

Besides the obvious hold by No. 84 TE Ed Dickson, there was an all out take down tackle of 49ers No. 27 C.J. Spillman. Funny thing is the outcome of the game doesn't change if it's called or not. Same result, same time runs off clock. The importance is just the lack of credibility of officials. How do you not call holding when it's so blatant and intentional? Just reflects on the refs . . . not the outcome of the game. The NFL should be embarrassed, and the refs who blew it should be reprimanded/demoted at least, and canned at most. There's really no excuse or explanation for it - hard to say "We missed it" with any credibility.

I think the NFL needs to adapt a rule that the Arena League uses: During the final 2 minutes of the game if the offense does not advance the ball past the line of scrimmage the clock is stopped after the play ends. This would eliminate the kneel down and force the offense to play out the game. In a close game it would still provide hope for the losing team that a turnover could occur.

February 11, 2013  07:38 PM ET

Unethical, maybe, but I think its in the gray area


Nothing unethical about it. Just smart coaching.

February 11, 2013  07:40 PM ET
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I think the NFL needs to adapt a rule that the Arena League uses: During the final 2 minutes of the game if the offense does not advance the ball past the line of scrimmage the clock is stopped after the play ends. This would eliminate the kneel down and force the offense to play out the game. In a close game it would still provide hope for the losing team that a turnover could occur.

I really like that idea.

I'm sure the NFL would get some resistance from the NFLPA due to player safety concerns, but it would certainly make for a more exciting game.

February 11, 2013  07:47 PM ET

Although I don't really see why the NFL needs to change the rule to prevent the Ravens 8-second intentional safety from reoccurring.

If it's the final 12 seconds of the game, you're losing, and your opponent has the ball, I don't see any reason why the rules should bend over backwards to let you back in the game. You should have done more in the first 59:48 of the game.

February 11, 2013  07:48 PM ET
QUOTE(#14):

Besides the obvious hold by No. 84 TE Ed Dickson, there was an all out take down tackle of 49ers No. 27 C.J. Spillman. Funny thing is the outcome of the game doesn't change if it's called or not. Same result, same time runs off clock. The importance is just the lack of credibility of officials. How do you not call holding when it's so blatant and intentional? Just reflects on the refs . . . not the outcome of the game. The NFL should be embarrassed, and the refs who blew it should be reprimanded/demoted at least, and canned at most. There's really no excuse or explanation for it - hard to say "We missed it" with any credibility.

There were some no calls but I doubt that they affected the outcome of the game. I still will take these officials over those scabs that officiated earlier in the season.

 
February 11, 2013  07:51 PM ET
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Although I don't really see why the NFL needs to change the rule to prevent the Ravens 8-second intentional safety from reoccurring.If it's the final 12 seconds of the game, you're losing, and your opponent has the ball, I don't see any reason why the rules should bend over backwards to let you back in the game. You should have done more in the first 59:48 of the game.

In agree with this.

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