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September 26, 2013, 12:47 PM
It's finally happened. Armageddon has arrived: I agree with Darth Delany on something.
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September 26, 2013  12:54 PM ET

I agree with him too.

The one and done needs to go too.

Let all of 'em go straight pro like baseball/golf/tennis, etc if they want to get paid. Skip college totally.

September 27, 2013  09:10 AM ET

Delany drawing a line in the sand, he's aggressive and I like it. It could be more bluster on his part but it's what he wants. With so many major changes about to take place in college ball, the amateur status is paramount in his mind.

His stance is also steeped in sarcasm, one thing there's no shortage of are money grubbing agents, after that trainers, facilities, lodging, logistics etc., it would be a huge cluster F in the beginning to create a Pro minor league.

Also, and this is a big one, the lifestyle on a beautiful campus with all its advantages and attractions will be totally void at a workman-like setting of a minor league developmental camp.

September 27, 2013  09:52 AM ET
QUOTE(#3):

Delany drawing a line in the sand, he's aggressive and I like it. It could be more bluster on his part but it's what he wants. With so many major changes about to take place in college ball, the amateur status is paramount in his mind. His stance is also steeped in sarcasm, one thing there's no shortage of are money grubbing agents, after that trainers, facilities, lodging, logistics etc., it would be a huge cluster F in the beginning to create a Pro minor league.Also, and this is a big one, the lifestyle on a beautiful by CouponDropDown">campus with all its advantages and attractions will be totally void at a workman-like setting of a minor league developmental camp.

I love his stance and the way he presented it. My favorite: "If you think it's about you, then talk to John Havlicek about that, you've got to talk to Michael Jordan about that. These brands have been built over 100 years."

And I agree with you Norka. Let them discover how boring and workmanlike (and cut throat) a developmental league is. Give them a simple choice: go directly professional or commit to a college for 4 years. Don't let them have it both ways.

Football is so much different than basketball or baseball. Less than 1% of the kids coming out of high school are physically ready for the NFL. Jadaveon Clowney? Give me a freaking break! He would have failed miserably as a 18 year old in the NFL. He would have been pushed around like a baby stroller. The value of his strength and technique coaching at South Carolina is something he gets for free that other students and fans have paid for in spades.

September 27, 2013  11:35 AM ET

Buck-i-girl agreeing with Delaney...
And the Angel poured forth the contents of his bowl...

September 27, 2013  11:47 AM ET

While I also agree with Delaney, let us recognize that the NCAA could help itself in this matter without help from the pro leagues. You could eliminate the "one and dones" in CBB simply by returning to the pre-1973 days. Freshemen were not eligible to play varsity sports prior to 1973. The second thing that could be done is not as simple, but is ethically ( I think ) the correct thing to do: No lower admission standards for scholarship athletes. Whatever school you choose to go to, you must meet the admission requirements of that school. Why accept a student to your school who is not qualified (academically) to attend except for his/her athletic abilities? They (the student athletes) are already behind (academically) their fellow students, and then the schools will require them to spend significant amounts of time on training, practicing, film study and road trips. Is it any wonder that so many of these kids fail to graduate, and/or cheat to maintain eligibility? If you don't want to be a minor league for the NFL and NBA, stop accepting athletes who are not really students.

September 27, 2013  01:03 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

While I also agree with Delaney, let us recognize that the NCAA could help itself in this matter without help from the pro leagues. You could eliminate the "one and dones" in CBB simply by returning to the pre-1973 days. Freshemen were not eligible to play varsity sports prior to 1973. The second thing that could be done is not as simple, but is ethically ( I think ) the correct thing to do: No lower admission standards for scholarship athletes. Whatever school you choose to go to, you must meet the admission requirements of that school. Why accept a student to your school who is not qualified (academically) to attend except for his/her athletic abilities? They (the student athletes) are already behind (academically) their fellow students, and then the schools will require them to spend significant amounts of time on training, practicing, film study and road trips. Is it any wonder that so many of these kids fail to graduate, and/or cheat to maintain eligibility? If you don't want to be a minor league for the NFL and NBA, stop accepting athletes who are not really students.

The first thing would be to break the coaches salaries tie-in with how well the team does. Bonuses for CC, NC, Bowls, etc...as long as they make more money by winning and going to bowl games, the more they will manipulate the system to get the players they want/need to win.

The difficult part is that the game has gone past this point and will never return in the present state. To get it (CFB) to a pure college sport, they will have to go to a NFL Minor League and let the ones who won't make it in the bigs stay in school and play.

And I also like the Baseball way of doing this....you can skip right to the majors, but if you decide to go to college first, you have to stay 3 years...

September 27, 2013  01:21 PM ET
QUOTE:

It's finally happened. Armageddon has arrived: I agree with Darth Delany on something.

Hypocrite fought for the TAT5 to play in the Sugar Bowl. Actions speak louder than words.

September 27, 2013  02:25 PM ET
QUOTE(#7):

The first thing would be to break the coaches salaries tie-in with how well the team does. Bonuses for CC, NC, Bowls, etc...as long as they make more money by winning and going to bowl games, the more they will manipulate the system to get the players they want/need to win.The difficult part is that the game has gone past this point and will never return in the present state. To get it (CFB) to a pure college sport, they will have to go to a NFL Minor League and let the ones who won't make it in the bigs stay in school and play.And I also like the Baseball way of doing this....you can skip right to the majors, but if you decide to go to college first, you have to stay 3 years...

Good point on the coaches bonuses tied to results. Not sure the baseball model is an improvement over the current situation as the NFL won't draft a kid until he is 3 years past high school now. The only thing a minor league would do is give the kid options. I'm okay with that, but if you allow admission of students not qualifed (academically), you will still have coaches gaming the systemt to get great athletes on the field even if they are terrible students.

September 27, 2013  02:43 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

Hypocrite fought for the TAT5 to play in the Sugar Bowl. Actions speak louder than words.

question for you BSB.....if tatgate happened today, what, if anything, would be the punishment ?

September 27, 2013  02:47 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

Good point on the coaches bonuses tied to results. Not sure the baseball model is an improvement over the current situation as the NFL won't draft a kid until he is 3 years past high school now. The only thing a minor league would do is give the kid options. I'm okay with that, but if you allow admission of students not qualifed (academically), you will still have coaches gaming the systemt to get great athletes on the field even if they are terrible students.

Oh, I agree totally on the academic qualifications. If they can't qualify then their only option would be the Minor Leagues...and if there is the Minor League NFL, then they can change their rules to draft whenever they want.

September 27, 2013  02:57 PM ET
QUOTE(#10):

question for you BSB.....if tatgate happened today, what, if anything, would be the punishment ?

Certainly not play in that years bowl game and postpone punishment based off of a promise that they will return for the punishment.

I have forgotten the details and timing, but I would make them sit out the rest of the year and part of next year. Overall ~ 4-6 games.

September 27, 2013  02:59 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

I love his stance and the way he presented it. My favorite: "If you think it's about you, then talk to John Havlicek about that, you've got to talk to Michael Jordan about that. These brands have been built over 100 years."And I agree with you Norka. Let them discover how boring and workmanlike (and cut throat) a developmental league is. Give them a simple choice: go directly professional or commit to a college for 4 years. Don't let them have it both ways.Football is so much different than basketball or baseball. Less than 1% of the kids coming out of high school are physically ready for the NFL. Jadaveon Clowney? Give me a freaking break! He would have failed miserably as a 18 year old in the NFL. He would have been pushed around like a baby stroller. The value of his strength and technique coaching at South Carolina is something he gets for free that other students and fans have paid for in spades.

Well said Doc.

September 27, 2013  03:08 PM ET

On the other hand there should be DIRE consequences for Universities with poor athletic grad rates.

They should be hit where it hurts, the pocketbook, I mean recruiting brainless hooligan thugs and you know who you are, should not be allowed.

This is college sports we are talking about people!!

September 27, 2013  03:11 PM ET
QUOTE(#6):

While I also agree with Delaney, let us recognize that the NCAA could help itself in this matter without help from the pro leagues. You could eliminate the "one and dones" in CBB simply by returning to the pre-1973 days. Freshemen were not eligible to play varsity sports prior to 1973. The second thing that could be done is not as simple, but is ethically ( I think ) the correct thing to do: No lower admission standards for scholarship athletes. Whatever school you choose to go to, you must meet the admission requirements of that school. Why accept a student to your school who is not qualified (academically) to attend except for his/her athletic abilities? They (the student athletes) are already behind (academically) their fellow students, and then the schools will require them to spend significant amounts of time on training, practicing, film study and road trips. Is it any wonder that so many of these kids fail to graduate, and/or cheat to maintain eligibility? If you don't want to be a minor league for the NFL and NBA, stop accepting athletes who are not really students.

Well said Sparty, I dont care what Yopper Z says about ya, your ok.

September 27, 2013  03:19 PM ET

The Fight'in Irish would have been the only school in the history of college football to both finish number one in student athlete graduation rates and win a National Title all in the same year.

In other words son, come to Notre Dame where you will earn a top quality education with degree and play for the National title year after year.

That would make an excellent story, and we got people at the paper on the payroll, don't we Tom.

It would have really been something to hang me bragging hat on.

September 27, 2013  03:41 PM ET
QUOTE(#14):

On the other hand there should be DIRE consequences for Universities with poor athletic grad rates.They should be hit where it hurts, the pocketbook, I mean recruiting brainless hooligan thugs and you know who you are, should not be allowed.This is college sports we are talking about people!!

"Don't mess with ND football"

September 28, 2013  11:10 AM ET
QUOTE(#2):

... Let all of 'em go straight pro like baseball/golf/tennis, etc if they want to get paid. Skip college totally.

The SEC would have to fold up shop.

September 28, 2013  06:21 PM ET

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September 29, 2013  06:53 PM ET

I think that there are things the suits can do today to put the genie back in the bottle that don't involve the players at all: when and why did (for example) the Rose Bowl become "the Rose Bowl Presented by Visio?" TV rights and tax exempt status for the bowl weren't enough?

Also, why do college football players have to be walking billboards for Nike, UA, Adidas, the conference and--in bowl season--fast food joints, banks, and TV manufacturers?

Players are not stupid. They know that their coaching staff is pocketing millions from Nike for wearing logo golf shirts on the sideline. The ADs set a really bad precedent allowing their coaches to cut their own endorsement deals. Any smart kid is going to think: If the coach is free to negotiate a deal like that, why can't I? Or why don't I at least get a cut?

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