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September 27, 2013, 04:15 AM
How can Sam Bradford be such a bust? He had 50 TD's in 1 season with Oklahoma and looked like the next Peyton Manning. The Rams still seem to think he can play but it's obvious he cant on the NFL level. These Busts all are 6'4 and around 230 pounds = Sam Bradford, Tim Couch, Ryan Leaf, Jeff George, and JaMarcus Russell who is 6'6 275 pounds and could run! How is it a QB like Andrew Luck can be better than those guys who all had great college career's comparable to Luck's? Andrew is 6'4 230. Kind of proves the NFL is mostly mental over physical. The Colts don't have a great team around him either, if you put Bradford on the Colts the Colts would stink!
September 27, 2013  04:23 AM ET

The Colts have a much better supporting cast around Luck. It's not even close. This is Bradfords what, 3rd season? Way to soon to call him a bust. And to even utter his name in the same sentence as Russell and Leaf is laughable at best. And Jeff George is far from a bust. Far. He may not have had the career many expected but calling a guy who played close to 15 years in the league and was a fairly decent starter for most of it is crazy.

September 27, 2013  04:37 AM ET
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The Colts have a much better supporting cast around Luck. It's not even close. This is Bradfords what, 3rd season? Way to soon to call him a bust. And to even utter his name in the same sentence as Russell and Leaf is laughable at best. And Jeff George is far from a bust. Far. He may not have had the career many expected but calling a guy who played close to 15 years in the league and was a fairly decent starter for most of it is crazy.

Your definition of bust must be different from mine as Jeff George was lousy. His career record as a starter in 12 seasons was 46-78 with 154 TD's and 113 INT's. He was considered great coming into the pro's so that is bust material. Bradford 7-9, 2-14, 7-8-1 in 3 season's and now 1-3. When you are in your 4th season and it's the same ol song and dance that isn't good. The other 3 in Leaf, Couch, and Russell I threw in there as an example of how physical tools aren't everything. The Colts don't have great talent around Luck either, it's ok but not great. Getting Trent will help hopefully. The Colts O.Line isn't good at all and the only great WR they have is Reggie Wayne and the Defense is suspect.

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September 27, 2013  06:34 AM ET
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Your definition of bust must be different from mine as Jeff George was lousy. His career record as a starter in 12 seasons was 46-78 with 154 TD's and 113 INT's. He was considered great coming into the pro's so that is bust material. Bradford 7-9, 2-14, 7-8-1 in 3 season's and now 1-3. When you are in your 4th season and it's the same ol song and dance that isn't good. The other 3 in Leaf, Couch, and Russell I threw in there as an example of how physical tools aren't everything. The Colts don't have great talent around Luck either, it's ok but not great. Getting Trent will help hopefully. The Colts O.Line isn't good at all and the only great WR they have is Reggie Wayne and the Defense is suspect.

Reggie Wayne, Ahmad Bradshaw, Trent Richardson, TY Hilton, DHB, Stanley Havili and a much better defense. Probably a top 5 defesne, if not close to it, about as far from suspect as you can get. Yeah, not even close. Bradfords ONE weapon now is in Atlanta.

Team records are just that. A team thing. Hanging them on one players head is not fair in one direction or the other. To me a bust is someone who doesn't stick around as long as George did. And look what he did when he played on teams with actual talent around him.

September 27, 2013  06:40 AM ET
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lol,.....and jeff george played for the colts too...!

excellent point!! LOL!

September 27, 2013  06:43 AM ET

Occasionally, a QB is a product of his surroundings, meaning if they have a lousy roster around them and don't have good coaches even the best won't survive a mess like that. Who can ever say if Brady was drafted by another team he would be anywhere near what he has become. But there are times the QB is never NFL ready and it doesn't matter where they end up.

September 27, 2013  06:55 AM ET
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Reggie Wayne, Ahmad Bradshaw, Trent Richardson, TY Hilton, DHB, Stanley Havili and a much better defense. Probably a top 5 defesne, if not close to it, about as far from suspect as you can get. Yeah, not even close. Bradfords ONE weapon now is in Atlanta. Team records are just that. A team thing. Hanging them on one players head is not fair in one direction or the other. To me a bust is someone who doesn't stick around as long as George did. And look what he did when he played on teams with actual talent around him.

Colts are 25th at stopping the run (total rush Defense) and are 13th in total Defense. I wish Top 5! Bradshaw looks good now because he I playing wit Luck. He was a guy the Giants didn't even want anymore. TY Hilton = ok but not great. George had 1 season where he was decent but not even great that was in 1999 and he still lost in the Playoffs early. Look at his career, the guy stunk. Bust is when you are projected to be great and you are not even close to that. George was a #1 pick by the Colts and never lived up to his hype. How that can even be debatable is laughable.

September 27, 2013  06:57 AM ET

I = is, wit= with. Typing fast again.

September 27, 2013  07:06 AM ET

I think there are two separate definitions of "QB Busts" on this thread:

#1: The QB plays mediocre to below-average football; he's okay enough to be a starter in the NFL - he'd probably be ranked somewhere between the #20 and #32 best QB in the league. But ultimately that's not good enough to justify being the #1 overall selection in a draft. (Guys like Sam Bradford or Alex Smith).

#2: The QB completely crashes and burns; he's not even worthy of an NFL roster (guys like Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell).

It sounds like these two completely different definitions are being used interchangeably, which is confusing for everyone. You're essentially comparing apples and oranges.

September 27, 2013  07:15 AM ET
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I think there are two separate definitions of "QB Busts" on this thread:#1: The QB plays mediocre to below-average football; he's okay enough to be a starter in the NFL - he'd probably be ranked somewhere between the #20 and #32 best QB in the league. But ultimately that's not good enough to justify being the #1 overall selection in a draft. (Guys like Sam Bradford or Alex Smith).#2: The QB completely crashes and burns; he's not even worthy of an NFL roster (guys like Ryan Leaf and JaMarcus Russell).It sounds like these two completely different definitions are being used interchangeably, which is confusing for everyone. You're essentially comparing apples and oranges.

Great points as Ryan Leaf and Russell are guys that didn't even have much of a career, George at least had a career but he still stunk :) So far Bradford as a #1 pick hasn't played like it at all and George never did.

September 27, 2013  07:23 AM ET
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Colts are 25th at stopping the run (total rush Defense) and are 13th in total Defense. I wish Top 5! Bradshaw looks good now because he I playing wit Luck. He was a guy the Giants didn't even want anymore. TY Hilton = ok but not great. George had 1 season where he was decent but not even great that was in 1999 and he still lost in the Playoffs early. Look at his career, the guy stunk. Bust is when you are projected to be great and you are not even close to that. George was a #1 pick by the Colts and never lived up to his hype. How that can even be debatable is laughable.

There is a huge difference between being a bust and not living up to your hype. Vinny Testeverde was another highly touted #1 overall pick. He never won a super bowl. Never won a super bowl. Worse TD-INT ratio. Worse QB rating. Was he a bust? I certainly don't think so. Whether the guys I listed are ok but not great or better because they're with Luck is ireelevant. They still are talented leaps and bounds above anything the Rams have.

Look up the Colts defensive rankings as whole compared to other teams. Not cherry picked parts. They average out to be about a top 5 teams. They aren't giving up points. Only about 16 a game. Good enough for 6th best.

September 27, 2013  07:24 AM ET
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Great points as Ryan Leaf and Russell are guys that didn't even have much of a career, George at least had a career but he still stunk :) So far Bradford as a #1 pick hasn't played like it at all and George never did.

Except before he talked his way out of Atlanta and with Minnesota ofcourse. Where he actually had some talent around him.

September 27, 2013  07:26 AM ET
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Occasionally, a QB is a product of his surroundings, meaning if they have a lousy roster around them and don't have good coaches even the best won't survive a mess like that.

Much more than occasionally. Peyton Manning is the ONLY QB I have ever seen play that it did not matter who was around him or coaching him, he was gonna be that good no matter what. There have been others. Unitas for one, but he is long before my time and I only can remeber the very tail end of Montana and Marinos career.

September 27, 2013  07:40 AM ET
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Much more than occasionally. Peyton Manning is the ONLY QB I have ever seen play that it did not matter who was around him or coaching him, he was gonna be that good no matter what. There have been others. Unitas for one, but he is long before my time and I only can remeber the very tail end of Montana and Marinos career.

All great points everyone. Yeah Peyton can make anyone look good so can Brady. Brady has always had Belichick to help him scheme but Brady is similar to Peyton where he can throw to mediocre WR's and make them look like all-stars. The last season Peyton was in Indy he was throwing to no namers with the exception of Wayne and the Colts still went 10-6. Brady is doing that now. Peyton is really doing it this year with the exception of Welker, Decker and Thomas weren't all that until Peyton arrived. Regarding the Colts Defense they are still 25th against the run, the points per game really helped them a lot because of last week against SF holding them to 7. That was he best Ive seen the Colts D play since Luck has been drafted but Gore still gashed them early.

September 27, 2013  08:52 AM ET

so true, the position of QB is at least as mentally dependent as physical. also speaking of busts, how about Akili Smith and Joey Harrington, both Oregon players

September 27, 2013  09:17 AM ET
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so true, the position of QB is at least as mentally dependent as physical. also speaking of busts, how about Akili Smith and Joey Harrington, both Oregon players

2 good one's, Heath Schuler as well. He was great in college and stunk it up with the Skins.

September 27, 2013  09:24 AM ET
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so true, the position of QB is at least as mentally dependent as physical. also speaking of busts, how about Akili Smith and Joey Harrington, both Oregon players

but the QB Bust Factory is USC.

September 27, 2013  09:27 AM ET
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but the QB Bust Factory is USC.

Leinart, what a bust! He was supposed to be great. I wouldn't call Palmer a bust, he was good before his injury. Sanchez was a QB on 2 AFC Conf Finals teams but he isn't really that good and has got worse since his rookie season - Butt Fumble, smh.

September 27, 2013  10:00 AM ET

These are the USC quarterbacks who have played in the pros: Paul McDonald, Todd Marinovich, Rob Johnson, John David Booty, Carson Palmer, Mark Sanchez, Matt Leinart, Sean Salisbury, Rodney Peete, Pat Haden, Vince Evans, Bill Nelsen, Matt Cassel and Pete Beathard.

That is not exactly a list of NFL greats. On it is a player more known for what he did with his cell phone (Salisbury), a criminal (Marinovich), and a butt fumbler (Sanchez).

 
September 27, 2013  10:11 AM ET
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These are the USC quarterbacks who have played in the pros: Paul McDonald, Todd Marinovich, Rob Johnson, John David Booty, Carson Palmer, Mark Sanchez, Matt Leinart, Sean Salisbury, Rodney Peete, Pat Haden, Vince Evans, Bill Nelsen, Matt Cassel and Pete Beathard. That is not exactly a list of NFL greats. On it is a player more known for what he did with his cell phone (Salisbury), a criminal (Marinovich), and a butt fumbler (Sanchez).

Yeah pretty sad list. When Carson Palmer is your best QB that isn't good. Salisbury had it made at ESPN and ruined his whole career over a pic sent on a phone, dumb move. The name John David Booty just cracks me up, why not just John Booty or David Booty, why 3 names? Marinovich had everything but loved to party too much, drugs ruined his career. Matt Cassel and Mark Sanchez both have had better pro career's than Leinart and nobody would've thought that in a million years when those guys were in college.

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