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October 6, 2013, 08:32 AM
The Tennessee Volunteers almost pulled the upset over Georgia this weekend (5 October 2013), but a fumble into the endzone by Vols RB Pig Howard in OT resulted in a touchback and ultimately a win for Georgia.

This rule makes no sense to me every time I see it. If the offense fumbles out of bounds, they retain possession, but if they fumble into the endzone and out of bounds, touchback. Given the rule that you can't advance a fumble, it would make more sense to me that the ball is retained by the offense and spotted at the point of the fumble. Agree or disagree?

What other football rules would you like to see changed?
October 6, 2013  09:59 AM ET
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Given the rule that you can't advance a fumble, it would make more sense to me that the ball is retained by the offense and spotted at the point of the fumble. Agree or disagree?

That makes a lot of sense to me. I would be in more favor of that than the current rule.

October 6, 2013  10:00 AM ET
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The Tennessee Volunteers almost pulled the upset over Georgia this weekend (5 October 2013), but a fumble into the endzone by Vols RB Pig Howard in OT resulted in a touchback and ultimately a win for Georgia.

October 6, 2013  11:03 AM ET
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1. Agree or

2. disagree?

It's called the End Zone for a reason and the end zones have different conditions that set them apart from the 'between the hashmarks' portion of the playing field. Another thing is that more rules to favor higher offensive numbers is a bad idea.

Fumbling out of bounds is like being saved by the bell, when it happens in the end zone, that's it, it's the end. There is no need or good reason to change this rule.

2. Number two PLUS one percent!

October 6, 2013  12:47 PM ET

The key to the UTK ruling is that the replay ref concluded that the ball was free from Howard's grasp on the playing field. The free ball then crossed the goal line and went out of bounds without further contact by any player. This ruling deems that the last possession of the football was by Howard at some point within the last yard of the field of play (inches, by the stop motion replay). At that point, the ball was live and free.

If the rules are to be changed, where would the team that lost the fumble be given the ball back, assuming it wasn't a 4th down & goal situation? If the fumble occurred on 4th and goal, where would the ball be placed for the change of possession?

It's a conundrum. Fair or not, the existing rule provides a solution, one that is known to all participants.

October 6, 2013  12:59 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

If the rules are to be changed, where would the team that lost the fumble be given the ball back, assuming it wasn't a 4th down & goal situation? If the fumble occurred on 4th and goal, where would the ball be placed for the change of possession? It's a conundrum. Fair or not, the existing rule provides a solution, one that is known to all participants.

Spot the ball at the point of lost fumble. If it was 4th down, defense gets the ball there.

This is consistent to me. When it is fumbled out of bounds, the ball is spotted at the point the ball is fumbled. If the ball went right out of bounds when Howard lost it, the ball is spotted there where he lost it. Why should it matter that it went forward into the endzone? I disagree with Norka here.

October 6, 2013  01:43 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

Spot the ball at the point of lost fumble. If it was 4th down, defense gets the ball there.This is consistent to me. When it is fumbled out of bounds, the ball is spotted at the point the ball is fumbled. If the ball went right out of bounds when Howard lost it, the ball is spotted there where he lost it. Why should it matter that it went forward into the endzone? I disagree with Norka here.

So...in the field of play, the ball is fumbled and kicked/batted about before going OB some 2-3 yds down the field...you are saying that the ball should then go back to where it was fumbled and not to where it went out of bounds? To me, that is penalizing the players as much...as a defensive player, if I see the ball is over the 1st down marker, and I don't have a reasonable chance to get the fumble, it would be better to just bat the ball out of bounds so it goes back.

And...in Kenny Stabler fashion....as an offensive player it might prove to be better for me to bat the ball out of the endzone and take over where it was fumbled rather than try to recover, if the chances of recovery are slim...

And...if it is 4th down it would penalize the defensive team by having to take over at the one inch line...with the ball being placed within the endzone for the nose to be on the one inch line....

I think the rule is fair.

October 6, 2013  01:43 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

Spot the ball at the point of lost fumble. If it was 4th down, defense gets the ball there.This is consistent to me. When it is fumbled out of bounds, the ball is spotted at the point the ball is fumbled. If the ball went right out of bounds when Howard lost it, the ball is spotted there where he lost it. Why should it matter that it went forward into the endzone? I disagree with Norka here.

I think Norka got it pretty much correct, BH. Note that the ball was not fumbled out of bounds on the sideline (which would've involved a new spot at the point it went out), but rather INTO THE END ZONE...in other words, the scoring area....which has no yard markers nor hash marks. The ball MUST be carried/held/possessed at the time it breaks the plane of the goal line. If it's a loose ball, and fumbled into the end zone, then you've run out of playing field to spot the ball. By rule, it's a turnover (touchback), and possession goes over to the opposing team with the spot on the -20 yard line.

Tough break for the Vols. To quote an old clich??: that's the way the ball bounces.

October 6, 2013  01:50 PM ET
QUOTE(#7):

... The ball MUST be carried/held/possessed at the time it breaks the plane of the goal line. If it's a loose ball, and fumbled into the end zone, * * * then you've run out of playing field to spot the ball...

* * *

^^^^^^^^ (Insert)

...AND not recovered by an offensive player before the ball rolls out of bounds in the end zone...

October 6, 2013  02:33 PM ET
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...If the offense fumbles out of bounds, they retain possession, but if they fumble into the endzone and out of bounds, touchback...

The Game That Never Was: tOSU vs. Arkansas, Sugar Bowl 1/4/2011.

Buckeye fumble by Terrelle Pryor at the +3 yard line; ball rolled into the Arkansas end zone; recovery by Dane Sanzenbacher. Result: TD.

October 6, 2013  02:35 PM ET

Query Quad.

October 6, 2013  04:33 PM ET

If it ain't broke don't break it.

October 6, 2013  04:33 PM ET

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Since you piled on the SEC...

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October 6, 2013  05:32 PM ET

Over time possession decided by a coin toss.

Team with better stats at the end of regulation should automatically get the choice.

Now has it stands the team that wins the OT coin toss wins the game more times than not.

Not fair IMO.

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