NCAAF  > General NCAAF  > Late Season OOC Scheduling = Poll Manipulation?
November 22, 2013, 08:57 AM
Listed below is the weak OOC scheduling we're being treated to this season during the critical home stretch (Oct 26th & on):

ACC:
Clemson vs. The Citadel
FSU vs. Idaho
North Carolina vs. Old Dominion
Georgia Tech vs. Alabama A&M
Boston College vs. New Mexico State

SEC:
Florida vs. Georgia State
Georgia vs. Appalachian State
South Carolina vs. Coastal Carolina
Alabama vs. Chattanooga
LSU vs. Furman
Auburn vs. Florida Atlantic
Ole Miss vs. Troy
Texas A&M vs. UTEP
Kentucky vs. Alabama State

Big Ten: None.

Pac12: None.

Big12: None.

This is simply ridiculous. Is there any rationale or justification besides poll manipulation?
November 22, 2013  09:13 AM ET
QUOTE:

Is there any rationale or justification besides poll manipulation?

No rationalization. The conferences expanded and recast their conference schedules. This buggered member teams' OOC schedules. Many had to back out of OOC agreements and pay the penalties for doing so. Many had to find teams able and willing to schedule a game on short notice. This accounts for a number of the imbalanced contests.

Other factors come into play. The schools want to fill the schedule gaps created by the expansion-related recast of their conference slate with home games (attendance, revenues, etc.). If there were power conference teams or even FBS LSOPs willing to disrupt their own schedules to book a game in this time span, they would want reciprocation (home & away arrangement). That doesn't fit the X number of home games per year baseline for the ACC & SEC schools. "It's not personal; it's business."

Let's take the example our pal Norka is so fond of mentioning, an SEC school backed out of an arrangement with tOSU. Naysayers will discard any notion that this is related to conference expansion and its impact on schedules and proclaim that the sole motivation is cowardice (poll manipulation) and greed.

If any posting to this thread want more than arguments based upon supposition or deduction, then someone needs to contact the ACC and SEC scheduling PTBs at get the true skinny, then trace these back to the individual schools to make a case for their motivation being this or that.

Oh bother! Let's just blather, shall we?

November 22, 2013  09:27 AM ET
QUOTE(#1):

... Oh bother! Let's just blather, shall we?

Yes!

November 22, 2013  09:53 AM ET

If we get those scheduling PTBs that TM referred to, I'd like to know just how it is that certain schools seem to draw opportune "open dates" in conference play the week before their tough games and/or rivals? They either keep that opportune date open or schedule a cupcake that week. Other conference teams don't seem to get such breaks. Strange phenomenon.

November 22, 2013  10:08 AM ET
QUOTE(#1):

... Many had to back out of OOC agreements and pay the penalties for doing so. Many had to find teams able and willing to schedule a game on short notice. This accounts for a number of the imbalanced contests....

Troy, Chattanooga, N. Texas and the like have been bouncing around SEC schedules for years. They play 'Bama one year, Ole Miss the next, etc. If I didn't see this same activity every year I might buy into the rationale.

November 22, 2013  10:11 AM ET
QUOTE(#2):

Yes!

LOL!


Besides poll manipulation, it's good prep/rest for the end-of-season rival games (UF/Noleys, Iron Bowl, GT/UGaly etc), final conf games to decide div winners, and then the CCG.

November 22, 2013  10:13 AM ET
QUOTE(#5):

LOL!Besides poll manipulation, it's good prep/rest for the end-of-season rival games (UF/Noleys, Iron Bowl, GT/UGaly etc), final conf games to decide div winners, and then the CCG.

How do they draw that prep/rest slot right before those games?

November 22, 2013  10:15 AM ET
QUOTE(#5):

LOL!Besides poll manipulation, it's good prep/rest for the end-of-season rival games (UF/Noleys, Iron Bowl, GT/UGaly etc), final conf games to decide div winners, and then the CCG.

We seem to have a shortage of discussion topics. We used to have new topics every day. I tried teeing up a couple today.

November 22, 2013  10:23 AM ET
QUOTE(#6):

How do they draw that prep/rest slot right before those games?

Yes and Why? I think everyone knows the answer but some are not willing to acknowledge it.

In the BCS, if you lose early there is poll forgiveness. If you lose late you're screwed.

So ... while other teams are locked in conference play knocking each other down the rankings ladder, other teams schedule patsies in order to hold on to their slot.

I've seen some people refer to this as smart. In fact it's so smart a 9 year old could do it.

It's a system based on someone else's failures, not your own successes.

November 22, 2013  10:24 AM ET
QUOTE(#7):

We seem to have a shortage of discussion topics. We used to have new topics every day. I tried teeing up a couple today.

Saw that, nice work Doc. Seems like there are fewer folks around to post, maybe that's what is cutting down on new topics?

November 22, 2013  10:26 AM ET
QUOTE(#8):

Yes and Why? I think everyone knows the answer but some are not willing to acknowledge it.In the BCS, if you lose early there is poll forgiveness. If you lose late you're screwed.So ... while other teams are locked in conference play knocking each other down the rankings ladder, other teams schedule patsies in order to hold on to their slot.I've seen some people refer to this as smart. In fact it's so smart a 9 year old could do it.It's a system based on someone else's failures, not your own successes.

In all honesty, only the ADs and conference scheduling folks know the actual poop on how/why certain things happen in terms of scheduling.

November 22, 2013  10:29 AM ET
QUOTE(#10):

In all honesty, only the ADs and conference scheduling folks know the actual poop on how/why certain things happen in terms of scheduling.

If I'm one of the schools that don't get that kind of scheduling break, I'd be throwing a sheeyut fit.

November 22, 2013  10:30 AM ET
QUOTE(#8):

It's a system based on someone else's failures, not your own successes.

These are football boards...let's keep politics out of it.

November 22, 2013  10:35 AM ET

Just looked. Bama had open dates this year right before A&M and LSU. And Chattanooga right before Auburn.

How frickin' convenient!

LSU was open right before and right after Bama.

Check out this site. The gaps late in the year are obvious. Some SEC schools have a better deal than others. Gonna check other conferences in this format to see how they look.

http://tinyurl.com/l5zwfer

November 22, 2013  10:35 AM ET
QUOTE(#12):

These are football boards...let's keep politics out of it.

Well played Buff, well played.

November 22, 2013  11:10 AM ET
QUOTE(#13):

Just looked. Bama had open dates this year right before A&M and LSU. And Chattanooga right before Auburn. How frickin' convenient!LSU was open right before and right after Bama. Check out this site. The gaps late in the year are obvious. Some SEC schools have a better deal than others. Gonna check other conferences in this format to see how they look.http://tinyurl.com/l5zwfer

tOSU played four straight opponents coming off a bye week, including a prime time away game against the 16th ranked team.

November 22, 2013  11:39 AM ET
QUOTE(#1):

The conferences expanded and recast their conference schedules. This buggered member teams' OOC schedules.

I'm not buying it concerning Vandy backing out against Ohio State. Even with the expansion, both the SEC and Big Ten still play four non conf games, if Vandy really wanted the game with Ohio State I believe it would have been played. But instead Vandy kept Austin Peay and UAB... coincidence or consequence of expansion? Or selective scheduling?

November 22, 2013  11:43 AM ET
QUOTE(#15):

tOSU played four straight opponents coming off a bye week, including a prime time away game against the 16th ranked team.

But the grind of the week in/week out SEC schedule is just too much for future NFL players to handle.

Damn, I said that with a straight face.

November 22, 2013  01:35 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

If we get those scheduling PTBs that TM referred to, I'd like to know just how it is that certain schools seem to draw opportune "open dates" in conference play the week before their tough games and/or rivals? They either keep that opportune date open or schedule a cupcake that week. Other conference teams don't seem to get such breaks. Strange phenomenon.

The chief SEC PTB of scheduling is a member of the REC. Bama is covered. Every other SEC team just gets lucky or has to suck on it. Spurrier must have some leverage (compromising pics, whathaveyou). Both as Gayduhs HC and Capons HC, her tends to get favorable byes.

November 22, 2013  01:40 PM ET

The SEC pattern for decades (going back to 10 game schedules) has been cash opponents for early season home games and LSOPs for Home Coming. The latest scattering of lambs for slaughter through SEC schedules has been a direct result of expansion shifted conference schedules. Anyone unwilling to see this is just being a deliberate Richard.

 
November 22, 2013  01:49 PM ET

The SEC and the SEC wannabe (ACC) desire/need a certain number of home games to meet revenue targets, the secondary benefit being a happier fan base. Most power conferences follow this same pattern. The B1G front loads their OOC schedule, and lo, LSOPs at home is a prevalent pattern (Part of Alvarez's formula for resurrecting Badger football) . So, Norka, you and your fellow B1Gers can cite histories of B1G OOC play to counter this or just continue spewing your only-in-the-over-rated-SEC blather.

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