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December 2, 2013, 07:02 PM
As a fan of your favorite team, who are your Top 10 players in Franchise history? My team is the Indianapolis Colts and my Top 10 players in franchise history are:

10. Adam Vinatieri (K) - his 5 FG's at Baltimore in the 2006 Playoffs in Baltimore, nuff said. He has been a Colt since the 2006 Season.
9. Jeff Saturday (C) - was Peyton's Center for his whole Colts career - 1998-2010.
8. Eric Dickerson (RB) - gained over 1000 yards in his first 3 seasons as a Colt and led a mediocre Colts team to their first Division Title in franchise history - 1987. Dickerson had 1011 Yards Rushing in only 9 games as a Colt in 1987. He was our first big name and is in the HOFame.
7. Bob Sanders (S) - he was the heart and soul of the Colts Defense during the SB winning season of 2006. He won DPOY in 2007.
6. Andrew Luck (QB) - yes already #6. He has had 10 come from behind wins and has a record of 19-9 over 2 seasons. He is the real deal.
5. Robert Mathis (DE) - has 41 strip sack fumbles in his career.
4. Reggie Wayne (WR) - over 1000 catches in his career and has had a HOF career.
3. Dwight Freeney (DE) - IMO he is one of the best pass rushers of all-time, I give him an edge over Mathis and in his hey day if you didn't double team him your team was in big trouble!
2. Marvin Harrison (WR) - HOFamer without question. He is a Top 10 WR of all-time.
1. Peyton Manning (QB) - 4 Time MVP in a Colts uniform, SB MVP as well.

-I only listed Indianapolis Colts (1984-2013), the Baltimore era not included if one is wondering why Johnny Unitas isn't on my list. Also I guess one could question why I don't have Marshall Faulk (RB) on my list but I just felt while he was here we didn't win (1994-1998). During the 1995 Playoff run he didn't even play as it was Jim Harbaugh (QB) that was the teams leader in leading them to an AFC Title Game. Edge (RB) just missed my Top 10 as well.
December 2, 2013  07:38 PM ET

You do know you will have to share No. 10, right? Although he will rate higher in Pats' circles.

December 2, 2013  07:42 PM ET

OK, quick snapshot on this. As a 45+ year fan I break this down into 3 eras. In general this will be about players during successful eras. I've been watching a LONG time so I don't think I can keep it to ten. IF I do list a player from years gone by then most likely he'll be pretty impressive in my eyes if he still sticks in my own personal playback machine that is my fading memory.
60-70s
Staubach-Captain Comeback; LAST pass ever was caught by an O-Lineman (who knew), resulted in a penalty. Desperate play, 4th down trying to score and never giving up. Amazing will and scrambling ability.
Lilly--1st Draft Choice; 14 year career I think, helmet toss in SB V loss, ability to dominate the DLine for years. Just a beast with superhuman strength before the days when they actually lifted and trained much. So disruptive.
Randy "Manster" White--see above, basically the replacement for Lilly, a LineBacker from Maryland move to tackle and had speed and strength to burn. Recall him chasing an Eagle reciever about 60 yards and saving a touchdown--full speed motor that NEVER quit.
Harvey Martin and Ed "Too Tall" Jones. Two book ends that met at the QB, Martin must have had speed that went unrecognized and Jones was just an orthodox size that folks couldn't deal with.
Charlie Waters and Cliff Harris--two amazing safeties, twins really, lethal hitters and roamed the secondary and stuffed the run.
Rayfield Wright--the big cat, just a monster of a pulling tackle. See any great runs from the era and you will see number 70 leading the way.
Tony Dorsett--HOF' that was like seeing him sliding on ice skates as he moved so quickly and effortlessly. Two plays most will recall are the 99 yard run vs the Vikings (only 10 cowboys on the field, play was NOT supposed to go to Dorsett!) and the other is him getting run down by the Redskin's Darrell Green.
Danny White--led Cowboys to 3 NFC Championships, coming after Staubach pales his accomplishments

90's
The triplets...enough said.
Moose Johnston--without him Emmitt doesn't get those yards.
Kenny Northon Jr. Great middle LB
Charles Haley and Deion Sanders; two steals from the Niners that bought Dallas the '95 Superbowl
Chad Hennings 'cause he's ex-Air Force

Today, Romo Witten, and Ware. Maybe one day Sean Lee.

Hope I haven't bored too many, time for MNFL on ESPN. Cheers out

December 2, 2013  07:46 PM ET

+45 - what about Hershel Walker who brought them a bounty in which to build the team of the 90's. lol!!

December 2, 2013  07:48 PM ET

I thought the question the announcers poised the other night was great.

Peyton and Brady faced each other for the 14th time

the question

"Which 2 QB's faced each other the most in their careers?"

I wrestled with that question not wanting to google it because it was such a good question.

Upon hearing the answer I learned the that John Elway and Dan Marino went 12 years without playing against one another, downright bizarre.

December 2, 2013  08:33 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

You do know you will have to share No. 10, right? Although he will rate higher in Pats' circles.

I bet Adam is in the Top 5 regarding Pats circles. What I did was is took the best Colts in that uniform. Faulk would probably rank Top 3 in Rams circles and Dickerson maybe #1 although Warner was the man on their SB win along with Faulk. I think this is a good topic to make one think :-)

December 2, 2013  08:33 PM ET
QUOTE(#4):

I thought the question the announcers poised the other night was great.Peyton and Brady faced each other for the 14th time the question"Which 2 QB's faced each other the most in their careers?"I wrestled with that question not wanting to google it because it was such a good question.Upon hearing the answer I learned the that John Elway and Dan Marino went 12 years without playing against one another, downright bizarre.

Very bizarre.

December 2, 2013  08:35 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

I bet Adam is in the Top 5 regarding Pats circles. What I did was is took the best Colts in that uniform. Faulk would probably rank Top 3 in Rams circles and Dickerson maybe #1 although Warner was the man on their SB win along with Faulk. I think this is a good topic to make one think :-)

Like I said I didn't include Baltimore Colts either so a Rams fan may not want to include LA Rams players??

December 2, 2013  08:37 PM ET

@+45 I would rank Emmitt the best Cowboy ever but Staubach and Lilly would have a major argument so would Aikman IMO.

December 2, 2013  09:12 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

I bet Adam is in the Top 5 regarding Pats circles.

I would put him in that category. Number 1 is rather obvious. I'd include Troy Brown, Tedy Bruschi and Steve Grogan in my top 5.

December 2, 2013  09:25 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

I would put him in that category. Number 1 is rather obvious. I'd include Troy Brown, Tedy Bruschi and Steve Grogan in my top 5.

@Tx "Number 1 is rather obvious" Who's that Tony Eason I agree ;-)

December 2, 2013  10:43 PM ET

HHmmm.
That be inclusive with some older player and todays.

December 3, 2013  01:44 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

+45 - what about Hershel Walker who brought them a bounty in which to build the team of the 90's. lol!!

Don't see Hershel as a cowboy really, remember him most for his special team play when he RETURNED back to the Cowboys. What you say about the trade is true, he was the piece that made it happen. I think Hershel played USFL, Dallas, Vikes, Eagles, Cowboys again....too many jerseys

I admire him greatly for post-football accomplishments. Big money in Chicken farming (NSTFS), UFC fighting, remember the ballet and FBI? I think he is bi-polar, still does 1000s of pushups and situps everyday. The guy is odd but successful

December 3, 2013  01:47 PM ET
QUOTE(#8):

@+45 I would rank Emmitt the best Cowboy ever but Staubach and Lilly would have a major argument so would Aikman IMO.

Agreed, Emmitt was the NFL's rushing leader and hauled the rock for Dallas like no other. Big fan of his. Hard worker and played hurt all the time. A beast in a small-ish package. No one will ever top that rushing yards record, won't happen.

December 3, 2013  01:52 PM ET
QUOTE(#12):

Don't see Hershel as a cowboy really, remember him most for his special team play when he RETURNED back to the Cowboys. What you say about the trade is true, he was the piece that made it happen. I think Hershel played USFL, Dallas, Vikes, Eagles, Cowboys again....too many jerseys I admire him greatly for post-football accomplishments. Big money in Chicken farming (NSTFS), UFC fighting, remember the ballet and FBI? I think he is bi-polar, still does 1000s of pushups and situps everyday. The guy is odd but successful

My thought was in the fact he actually did more good for the team off the field.

December 3, 2013  01:58 PM ET

With some teams it will much more difficult to decide on a top ten. Those teams with many years of success, like the 49'ers, Cowboys, Steelers, Giants, Redskins and Raiders. Other teams, it will be much easier like Browns, Bengals, Chargers and Jets where success was not quite as long term. Even the Pats fit in the latter category. Except for several non-descript Super Bowls in which they lost, they were pretty bad until Belichick and Brady met up.

December 3, 2013  02:23 PM ET
QUOTE(#9):

I would put him in that category. Number 1 is rather obvious. I'd include Troy Brown, Tedy Bruschi and Steve Grogan in my top 5.

I couldn't leave out John Hannah and Andre Tippett.

December 3, 2013  02:57 PM ET

Chargers:

1. Lance Alworth
2. LaDainian Tomlinson
3. Dan Fouts
4. Junior Seau
5. Kellen Winslow
6. Fred Dean
7. John Hadl
8. Antonio Gates
9. Charlie Joiner
10. Ron Mix
10. Gary "Big Hands" Johnson
10. Lorenzo Neal (points added up - it's a 3-way tie)

Honorable Mention: Rodney Harrison, Leslie O'Neal, Louie Kelcher, Mike Scifries, Walt Sweeney, Nick Hardwick, Wes Chandler, John Jefferson, Philip Rivers, Darren Sproles

Coaches: Sid Gillman and Don Coryell

Merriman? Yeah, he's in the mix somewhere, but not great enough for long enough, plus a PEDer.

December 3, 2013  03:16 PM ET
QUOTE(#17):

Chargers:1. Lance Alworth2. LaDainian Tomlinson3. Dan Fouts4. Junior Seau5. Kellen Winslow6. Fred Dean7. John Hadl8. Antonio Gates9. Charlie Joiner10. Ron Mix10. Gary "Big Hands" Johnson 10. Lorenzo Neal (points added up - it's a 3-way tie)Honorable Mention: Rodney Harrison, Leslie O'Neal, Louie Kelcher, Mike Scifries, Walt Sweeney, Nick Hardwick, Wes Chandler, John Jefferson, Philip Rivers, Darren SprolesCoaches: Sid Gillman and Don CoryellMerriman? Yeah, he's in the mix somewhere, but not great enough for long enough, plus a PEDer.

Great list Ripper. I agree with Alworth being #1 as well. Chargers have had some great players and very good teams as in 1980, 1981, 2006, etc..

December 3, 2013  03:42 PM ET

Funny that I exclude Merriman partly because of PEDs . . . but include Gillman, who in 1963 introduced professional football to its first strength coach (Alvin Roy), first weightlifting program, and first use of anabolic steroids - Dianabol - mandatory 5 mg to all players, 3 times a day, for 5 weeks (allegedly), until it became voluntary later in training camp. The difference is it was legal back then and not against any rules.

Gillman makes the grade as a coach because he was an innovator, and he brought San Diego the only championship it has ever known in any sport when they beat the Pats 51-10 in the AFL Championship game that year.

 
December 3, 2013  04:14 PM ET

pats top-10 = tom brady, troy brown, kevin faulk, andre tippett, john hannah, adam v., tedy bruschi, x------------, x------------, x------------,...........*i'll be back with last three*.

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