NFL  > Dallas Cowboys  > I feel bad for you Dallas fans, well sort of
December 31, 2013, 01:34 PM
Let's look at some history, Jon Gruden inherited a horrible Oakland Raider team (back when you never even heard of Jon Gruden), first thing he did was get rid of all the dead weight, i.e. players that were just there for the paycheck. Players that laughed at the owner while cashing his checks.

Then he preceded to build a very good team that played in 3 consecutive AFC Championship games, (well almost 3), the tuck rule prevented the world a rematch of the immaculate reception game.

He did this with a retread at QB and an idiot for an owner. IT CAN BE DONE.

I am not saying Dallas needs to hire Jon Gruden, but what you need is a head coach, and currently what you have a JJ yes man.

The big problem now is your owner, he won't hire a head coach that will be successful because that would take the spotlight away from his ego. Owners probably should not have their own weekly radio show, that is just stroking that ego even more.

In other words your in for more of the same reality that you've endured for the last 17 seasons;

136 wins 136 losses

Being a Cowboy fan has to be one of the most frustrating things I can think of.
December 31, 2013  01:42 PM ET

I think being a Cowboys fan is slightly above being a Browns fan. But..point taken. Everyone knows the problem. Everyone talks about it. And everyone knows not a damn thing will change for the forseeable future. In that respect, I think the Browns have more to be hopeful for than the Cowboys.

December 31, 2013  01:54 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

I think being a Cowboys fan is slightly above being a Browns fan. But..point taken. Everyone knows the problem. Everyone talks about it. And everyone knows not a damn thing will change for the forseeable future. In that respect, I think the Browns have more to be hopeful for than the Cowboys.

Obviously I am just rehashing the obvious.

I thought the Gruden/Raider reference is a valid one, he dealt with an idiot ego driven tyrant for an owner also, but Al was not as rich financially nor did he want the spotlight like the buffoon your dealing with.

and yes I would agree being a Browns fan you at least have some hope.

December 31, 2013  02:26 PM ET

H_I_S,
What you describe is what J Johnson did with the '89-90 Cowboys in getting rid of "dead-wood" (like to call these guys "veterans" as they are some of the heroes from the glory years of the late '70s) He traded H Walker for multiple draft picks (similar to what many are saying Dez Bryant is good for). I agree with your analysis but am not sure the Oakland scenario is repeatable in Dallas as Jerrah is NOT exactly like A Davis and IMO Jones is on the defensive now due to the continuous attacks on his capabilities. Would Parcells fit the scenario you put forth? Was Tuna NOT given enough control with "shopping for the groceries"? Did he get frustrated due to Jones' meddling? Had enough of the NFL? Does Tuna get credit for the 13-3 team? (I say yes) Trust me, in the MANY years I've been following this team I've seen/imagined/endured what appears to be every possible scenario.

There may be some hope. Jerrah did vocalize that after ALL this mediocrity he must look at what is the ONE constant in these 17 yrs and that is HIM. He didn't say anything about replacing himself but maybe his "approach"?! Don't know what that means.

The other thing that gives me some hope (still drinking the Kool-aid from a 5 gallon bucket) was Jerrah's reaction to Orton's last interception. A camera was swung to his luxury box and he looked to be sh_itting- a meat axe! I think I heard him say FU_CK__!!! from my living room. Even with his back turned I could read his lips!!!! The man wants to win, two reasons. One he hates to lose and he so desperately wants to prove EVERYONE (to include Jimmy J) wrong.

It's not from a lack of wanting or trying to win, he just sucks at it and don't think it will get better. His ego will not go away; even if he tamed it for a short period any success brought by others would be trampled as he rushed forward to the camera or microphone.

In brief; fans are screwed. Can't see his off-spring doing any better--apple far from the tree sort of thing.

December 31, 2013  02:41 PM ET

? = does jerry feel bad for the dallas-fanz [too]...?,.......if he did, he'd ~fire~ his GM......and hire a REAL one......*ASAP*,....!

December 31, 2013  04:13 PM ET

Why does anyone feel sorry for Cowboys fans? No love for Giants fans?

December 31, 2013  04:14 PM ET

Why does anyone feel sorry for Cowboys fans?

December 31, 2013  04:36 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

Why does anyone feel sorry for Cowboys fans? No love for Giants fans?

As soon as we win a couple of Super Bowls, we'll pass the pity bucket back to you guys.


As long as Philly doesn't get it...

December 31, 2013  04:50 PM ET

as a NYGiants fan I look over to the cowboys fans (who for some reason still think the NFL world revolves around that sorry franchise) and I get giddy.... jerry will find some way to mess it up. part of the reason is the fans and the dallas media dont hold the anyone accountable up to and including the owner. there is a reason why chicago cubs are a perennial loser.... the fans still pay the money no matter what and it is the same with the cowboys.

January 2, 2014  07:08 PM ET
QUOTE(#3):

H_I_S,What you describe is what J Johnson did with the '89-90 Cowboys in getting rid of "dead-wood" (like to call these guys "veterans" as they are some of the heroes from the glory years of the late '70s) He traded H Walker for multiple draft picks (similar to what many are saying Dez Bryant is good for). I agree with your analysis but am not sure the Oakland scenario is repeatable in Dallas as Jerrah is NOT exactly like A Davis and IMO Jones is on the defensive now due to the continuous attacks on his capabilities. Would Parcells fit the scenario you put forth? Was Tuna NOT given enough control with "shopping for the groceries"? Did he get frustrated due to Jones' meddling? Had enough of the NFL? Does Tuna get credit for the 13-3 team? (I say yes) Trust me, in the MANY years I've been following this team I've seen/imagined/endured what appears to be every possible scenario. There may be some hope. Jerrah did vocalize that after ALL this mediocrity he must look at what is the ONE constant in these 17 yrs and that is HIM. He didn't say anything about replacing himself but maybe his "approach"?! Don't know what that means. The other thing that gives me some hope (still drinking the Kool-aid from a 5 gallon bucket) was Jerrah's reaction to Orton's last interception. A camera was swung to his luxury box and he looked to be sh_itting- a meat axe! I think I heard him say FU_CK__!!! from my living room. Even with his back turned I could read his lips!!!! The man wants to win, two reasons. One he hates to lose and he so desperately wants to prove EVERYONE (to include Jimmy J) wrong. It's not from a lack of wanting or trying to win, he just sucks at it and don't think it will get better. His ego will not go away; even if he tamed it for a short period any success brought by others would be trampled as he rushed forward to the camera or microphone. In brief; fans are screwed. Can't see his off-spring doing any better--apple far from the tree sort of thing.

I'd give Tuna credit for that 13-3 team. Remember when there was a 'secret' meeting between Tuna and JJ meeting on his private jet? to discuss him taking the HC job.

Doubtful the current JJ yes man will ever deliver a playoff win, you guys need someone to shake things up.

January 2, 2014  08:43 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

Why does anyone feel sorry for Cowboys fans? No love for Giants fans?

The G-men always surprise,at least you don't know the outcome ahead of time.

January 2, 2014  08:44 PM ET

Like too see Jerry do a bungi jump off the roof of his stadium just about 3 feet too long.

January 3, 2014  07:46 AM ET
QUOTE(#9):

Doubtful the current JJ yes man will ever deliver a playoff win, you guys need someone to shake things up.

Agreed. I really don't think anyone is deluding themselves in the belief that JJ will make the necessary changes to get things back on track. As long as the stadium keeps shoveling money into his pocket, everything is good, but not for the fans.

January 3, 2014  07:49 AM ET
QUOTE(#8):

as a NYGiants fan I look over to the cowboys fans (who for some reason still think the NFL world revolves around that sorry franchise) and I get giddy.... jerry will find some way to mess it up. part of the reason is the fans and the dallas media dont hold the anyone accountable up to and including the owner. there is a reason why chicago cubs are a perennial loser.... the fans still pay the money no matter what and it is the same with the cowboys.

of course you know nothing about which you speak. The fans and media do hold JJ accountable for all the mess, but as has been stated repeatedly it does not matter to him what the attendance figure is at games. He has a stadium that hosts all kinds of high level events and will continue to do so which means with or without fans attending Cowboys games he still has a cash cow with the stadium. He lacks the motivation to make the changes that need to be made to the team.

January 3, 2014  11:40 AM ET
QUOTE(#13):

of course you know nothing about which you speak. The fans and media do hold JJ accountable for all the mess, but as has been stated repeatedly it does not matter to him what the attendance figure is at games. He has a stadium that hosts all kinds of high level events and will continue to do so which means with or without fans attending Cowboys games he still has a cash cow with the stadium. He lacks the motivation to make the changes that need to be made to the team.

The guy even has a steady income from people paying to "Tour" the stadium on days when there are no games.

That is marketing at it's most absurd level.

January 3, 2014  12:22 PM ET
QUOTE(#1):

I think being a Cowboys fan is slightly above being a Browns fan. But..point taken. Everyone knows the problem. Everyone talks about it. And everyone knows not a damn thing will change for the forseeable future. In that respect, I think the Browns have more to be hopeful for than the Cowboys.

sums things up pretty well....
our only hope was a new HC and that is unlikely now. really losing the attachment I had with this team for over 30 yrs. sort of developed a "who gives a sh**" attitude about them. JJ can destroy this franchise..... and it's what he's doing, but like I said, who cares?

January 3, 2014  12:26 PM ET
QUOTE(#13):

....... He lacks the motivation to make the changes that need to be made to the team.

TxHeat, not sure I agree with you on lacking the motivations....unless you mean the stadium and $$ rolling through with the concerts, college games, etc etc would be his only motivation.

He spends money on salary--poorly it would seem; Carr for example. He promotes the team and seems to want them to win. I want to win the PowerBall....want and will are two different things. He's motivated to win, he is just not a good GM.

January 3, 2014  12:45 PM ET

+45, if he had an ounce of sense he would have sh&t canned the entire coaching staff as soon as that last game was over. But nooooo...we are in for more of the same. It doesn't matter how many more years of mediocrity we suffer through, as it seems that is just fine with JJ. He may talk a good game sometimes with his comments, but I buy none of it. It's all about the stadium. And he knows how the cash just keeps rolling in no matter how sorry the team is on the field.

January 3, 2014  01:38 PM ET

currently what you have a JJ yes man.


IMO that's the only reason why Jason Garrett is still head coach. Jerry Jones wants a puppet who will do whatever he says.

January 3, 2014  01:39 PM ET
QUOTE(#5):

Why does anyone feel sorry for Cowboys fans? No love for Giants fans?

Why would anyone feel sorry for Giants fans? They've had the luckiest team in the NFL for nearly a decade.

 
January 3, 2014  04:39 PM ET
QUOTE(#19):

Why would anyone feel sorry for Giants fans? They've had the luckiest team in the NFL for nearly a decade.

Oh Yeah! I'm still haunted by David Tyree. SOB!!!

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