2008-12-10T10:39:40-05:00 NOTES: Phils, Yanks lead chase for Lowe 2008-12-09T14:03:07-05:00 23 2008-12-09T14:03:07-05:00 1 3 10 2008-12-10T10:39:40-05:00 15 PA tswizzly Philadelphia 631026 23 I think that comment was about Bay... 3604573 2008-12-09T17:49:09-05:00 1 NJ theworldismine Englewood 630414 16 yeah it's not like the poorates would trade a top flight talent to an american league east team for a bunch of overrated prospects ... oops ... 3598763 2008-12-09T22:44:10-05:00 34 NJ mike ciavolino Monmouth Beach 616604 yeah it's not like the poorates would trade a top flight talent to an american league east team for a bunch of overrated prospects ... oops ... 22 lets not go crazy calling nady &quot;top flight talent&quot; he's a nie player for sure, but there is a big difference between nady and mclouth - nady was arbitration eligible in 08 so the pirates had to pay him close to 4mill for one year and he is a free agent after this season and boras is his agent so they knew he was walking anyway, that's why they unloaded him. i will agree they should have got more than ohlendorf and karstens for god's sake, but even in his best year, nady never had the kind of season mclouth just came off of, nor is he near as good a fielder or a base stealer and 7 years older. 3601160 2008-12-09T20:56:27-05:00 11 FL The V Saint Petersburg 614321 21 I wouldn't give Lowe more than 3years..54mil..Burnett scares the sh.. out of me..4years with an opt 5.maybe? I think the Phils or Cards end up with him. Their better off trying to sign Pavano( lol) back for a couple more years..At least you know he's good for 8/9 games before dLing.. Not a good start for Cashman. I would look at Sheets and try to get Pettite back at 11mil for one more. Sign TEX! 3600169 2008-12-09T19:03:41-05:00 http://img.fannation.com/upload/user_profile/image/180/677/thumb/hannibal.jpg 1251 FL salvaje50 Miami 180977 20 An official with one team interested in Lowe said he was &quot;shocked'' how high the bidding appears to be going. He's not the only one. Whoever gives this guy 5 years 80 mill needs to get their head examined 3599327 2008-12-09T18:21:14-05:00 196 NY NYFan New York 7494 19 Sheets (eventually on DL come postseason), Burnett (eventually on DL come postseason), Wang (groundball pitcher who pitches to contact- not a good thing in postseason), Lowe (old groundball pitcher who pitches to contact, not a good thing in postseason)....Yanks probs, in yyears they have made postseason, is that they tend to have no true #1 who can get strikeouts and teams fear facing multiple times in a short series. Wang is not that guy, neither is Lowe. Sheets and Burnett have that kind of stuff, but they will both have long since been shelved for the season if the Yanks were somehow fortunate enough to make it to the playoffs. This is why the Yanks have gotten beaten by teams that featured Beckett (Marlins/Red Sox), Schilling, Randy Johnson over the years. Also, and this bears mentioning...if they sign Lowe, and pair him with Wang, they have 2 pitchers who induce a TON of groundballs. Which is normally a good thing. But the Yanks IF defense is AWFUL. The Yanks range factor rating as an IF is among the worst, if not the worst, RF in baseball. Right now, they have no real 1B to speak of (Swisher may be better than Giambi at first, but that aint saying much), their SS has some of the worst range in baseball, and their 2B is prone to concentration lapses and has probs making routine plays consistently. Add the possibility of Ian Kennedy to the mix, and that is NOT a good combination. 3599030 2008-12-09T18:13:20-05:00 196 NY NYFan New York 7494 18 Sorry..meany Joba fell in the draft due to injury. 3598986 2008-12-09T18:12:30-05:00 196 NY NYFan New York 7494 17 Now, simply using precedent and reason, what exactly makes anyone believe that anyone from the list of Sheets, Kennedy, Hughes, and Joba would be able to make it through a season without being injured. Every one of those guys, and you could even throw Wang into that category, has a history of injuries. Sheets' is downright ridiculous. Hughes is young but rapidly making quite a name for himself on the frequent-DL list. Wang feel in the draft due to injury, then was injured last year. None of the younger pitchers (Joba/Hughes/Kennedy) will be able to throw more than 150-170 innings next year, even if healthy and successful, simply based on their need to get their innings counts up gradually. That fact, combined with Sheets (and Burnett and his injury history) leads me to believe that the Yanks ought to have about 10 starters ready to go if that is the staff they plan to roll out following spring training. 3598984 2008-12-09T17:49:09-05:00 1 NJ theworldismine Englewood 630414 16 yeah it's not like the poorates would trade a top flight talent to an american league east team for a bunch of overrated prospects ... oops ... 3598763 2008-12-09T15:11:41-05:00 34 NJ mike ciavolino Monmouth Beach 616604 4 Excellent idea!!!! How could the Pirates resist such a tempting package of Melky Cabrera and Ian Kennedy for a guy who hit 26 hrs, scored 113 runs, swiped 23 bags, played virtually error free center field and is 24 years old! Wow Melky and Kennedy and you're willing to throw in a pick too! ROTFLMAO! You Yankee fans crack me up! Nobody wants your garbage players and that includes fat Robinson Canoli who Cashman would drive to the airport if he could get someone to take him! LOL. 3596175 2008-12-09T16:40:57-05:00 http://img.fannation.com/upload/user_profile/image/604/139/thumb/statue.jpg 130 PA Reason in Philly? Philadelphia 604779 Excellent idea!!!!How could the Pirates resist such a tempting package of Melky Cabrera and Ian Kennedy for a guy who hit 26 hrs, scored 113 runs, swiped 23 bags, played virtually error free center field and is 24 years old! Wow Melky and Kennedy and you're willing to throw in a pick too! ROTFLMAO! You Yankee fans crack me up! Nobody wants your garbage players and that includes fat Robinson Canoli who Cashman would drive to the airport if he could get someone to take him! LOL. 15 Then again, it is the Pirates. If the Yankees throw in 2 low A players and a box of balls with Cabrera and Kennedy, the Pirates might send a limo to NYC to pick them up. 3597686 2008-12-09T16:39:35-05:00 http://img.fannation.com/upload/user_profile/image/169/322/thumb/180px-Musial_statue.jpe.jpg 2559 MO CardsFan2 Saint Louis 169622 14 Let me fix that headline for you &quot;Yanks and Phils are the only ones interested in Lowe on an 80 million dollar contract&quot; 3597672 23 <p>&nbsp;</p> <div> <div><span>LAS VEGAS -- The Phillies and Yankees appear for the moment to have emerged as the two most prominent contenders for star free-agent pitcher Derek Lowe, who seeks at least a five-year deal for about $80 million.</span></div> <div><br /></div> <div><span>The 35-yer-old Lowe has been pursued by about 10 teams, but it appears those two have been among the more aggressive for Lowe. The Red Sox and Mets are among interested teams discouraged by the price. An official with one team interested in Lowe said he was "shocked'' how high the bidding appears to be going.</span></div> <div><br /></div> <div><span>The Phillies are an intriguing team, as they are also pursuing their own free agent starter, <strong>Jamie Moyer</strong>, as well.&nbsp; The Yankees are chasing enough starters to fill an entire staff, including top target <strong>CC Sabathia</strong>, plus <strong>A.J. Burnett</strong>, <strong>Oliver Perez </strong>and <strong>Ben Sheets</strong>.</span></div> </div> <div><br /></div> <h3>Big Unit wants to stay out West<br /></h3> <div><span><strong>Randy Johnson</strong> wants to stay out West to reach his milestones. He'll be a Hall of Famer, but like a lot of starters in this market, he's waiting for the three top starters -- <strong>CC Sabathia</strong>, <strong>A.J. Burnett</strong> and <strong>Derek Lowe </strong>-- to sign somewhere before finding his spot.</span></div> <div><br /></div> <div><span>The A's, Giants and Dodgers are believed to be possibilities for Johnson, who needs five wins for 300 and 211 strikeouts for 5,000. I could see the two Bay Area teams being a litlle more likely, as Dodgers manager Joe Torre couldn't have been all that impressed with the work Johnson did for him as a Yankee in 2005 and 2006. </span></div> <div><br /></div> <h3>A's remain interested in Furcal<br /></h3> <div><span>The A's remain interested in star free agent shortstop <strong>Rafael Furcal</strong>, but it remains uncertain whether the sides can get back together after breaking apart talks last week.</span></div> <div><br /></div> <div><span>Oakland offered Furcal $36 million over four years, and when the A's asked for an answer, he chose to keep shopping. The Dodgers have an interest in bringing back Furcal, but not for four years (they are thinking more like two).</span></div> <div><br /></div> <div><span>The Braves, Cubs and Indians are among other teams thought to have some interest.</span></div> http://img.fannation.com/upload/user_profile/image/100/64/thumb/Heyman_Jon.png 0 NY Jon Heyman New York 10084 30570 <p><span>LAS VEGAS -- The Phillies and Yankees appear for the moment to have emerged as the two most prominent contenders for star free-agent pitcher Derek Lowe, who seeks at least a five-year deal for about $80 million.</span></p> <div> <div><br /></div> <div><span>The 35-yer-old Lowe has been pursued by about 10 teams, but it appears those two have been among the more aggressive for Lowe. The Red Sox and Mets are among interested teams discouraged by the price. An official with one team interested in Lowe said he was "shocked'' how high the bidding appears to be going.</span></div> <div><br /></div> </div>