2009-01-07T20:01:13-05:00 <p>The trade talks between the Orioles and White Sox regarding excellent leadoff hitter <strong>Brian Roberts</strong> stalled over Baltimore's request for at least one player in addition to young starting pitcher <strong>Gavin Floyd</strong>. "They wanted Floyd plus,'' one person familiar with the talks said.</p> <p>While the talks aren't necessarily considered dead, White Sox GM <strong>Ken Williams</strong> said to Chicago media outlets through a spokesman that he hasn't spoken to the Orioles since November. And one other person told SI.com that the chances for a deal were "pretty iffy,'' based on Baltimore's requests.</p> <p>Roberts, who hit .296 with 107 runs scored and 40 stolen bases this past season, is liked by Williams, who seeks to improve the White Sox's team speed and would love a leadoff hitter. Roberts also has been a target of the Cubs for at least a year.</p> <p>Roberts seemed pleased at the thought of a trade to the contending Cubs. However, he has long been a favorite of Orioles owner <strong>Peter Angelos</strong>, so the price tag has always been high. The young righthander Floyd showed promise last year, going 16-8 for Chicago.</p> 2009-01-06T11:30:15-05:00 26 2009-01-06T11:30:15-05:00 1 3 10 2009-01-07T20:01:13-05:00 6 OH Hammerin' Pickerington 655946 26 Floyd to this point is nothing but a 1-year wonder. Wonder if he can do it again..... I'm not buying it, and certainly not giving up an All-Star caliber player for a maybe. If the O's were really ever in the market on Teixeira, they can certainly re-sign Roberts - and better do it soon before he gets the scent of free agency! 3900329 2009-01-07T16:28:21-05:00 1 MD FLITTBUOY Pikesville 655711 25 YANKEES SUCK! THEY WON'T WIN UNTIL A-WAD IS GONE! 3897608 2009-01-07T16:25:09-05:00 1121 CA Yankee27 Castaic 188694 24 And this is why the Orioles will always be the Orioles and nothing more than 4th place in the AL bEast 3897583 2009-01-07T14:11:01-05:00 http://img.fannation.com/upload/user_profile/image/654/875/thumb/Arnold-747438.bmp.jpg 941 VA Get to da Choppah! Springfield 655515 23 I can't believe the ChiSox made such an offer. However, I can believe the Orioles overplayed their hand. Again. 3894803 2009-01-07T13:47:40-05:00 11 IL SoxArmy Orland Park 621685 22 Why on earth would Kenny Williams do this? This is not like the McCarthy trade, where he was hyped over performing well in a handful of starts before being traded for Jon Danks. Floyd put in an entire season of solid performances. Sure, he could regress, but I would bet on a 31-year old speedster in Roberts falling apart before I would the 20-something Floyd being a bust. Even if Floyd regresses to the level of a fifth starter, in the Sox current position a #5 locked up cheap for four years is much more valuable than a second baseman for one. 3894346 2009-01-06T21:26:16-05:00 1 XX stray human No City 654701 13 Andy spells his name McFail ... The Orioles can pound sand if they want more than Floyd. 3886215 2009-01-07T12:53:42-05:00 449 NY micah211099 Chester 582943 Andy spells his name McFail ... The Orioles can pound sand if they want more than Floyd. 21 Andy got the following 10 players for Bedard and Tejada -Luke Scott (23 HR's 65 RBI last year, basically matched Tejada's numbers alone) -Matt Albers (3.4 ERA in 50 IP last year) -Dennis Sarfate (sub 4 ERA in relief, 92 IP last year) -Troy Patton (Astros top pitching prospect, injured last year so jury is still out) -Michael Costanzo -Adam Jones (will be a stud that much is obvious) -George Sherrill (31 saves, 2008 All-Star) -Chris Tillman (O's 1/2 pitching prospect, projects as 2/3 starter with outside possibilities at being a #1) -Tony Butler -Kam Mickilo (5.8 ERA in 8 IP) I don't think anyone is in the position to criticize McPhail's deals so far. 3893421 2009-01-07T12:34:08-05:00 449 NY micah211099 Chester 582943 20 McPhail has worked wonders with his two trades so far so I have to say I trust him on this one, if its really McPhail who feels he can get more for Roberts. I really hope its not Angelos sticking his nose where it doesn't belong again. That being said is there a ton of difference between a high comp draft pick should we sit on Roberts and he leaves during free agency and a young pitcher like Floyd? Floyd has only had 1 solid season, struggled against AL East teams, and had most of his real good starts against the Twins, Indians, and Tigers, not exactly light it up offenses. It's not like the O's need Floyd so they can compete this year or next year. 3893147 2009-01-07T12:30:27-05:00 449 NY micah211099 Chester 582943 19 I hope it was McPhail that felt like they could do better than just Floyd for Roberts straight up and it isn't Angelos sticking his nose where it doesn't belong yet again. McPhail has worked wonders in the two trades he has put together so far so I trust him with the Roberts trade as well. It's not like the Orioles are gonna compete this year, or likely even next year so is there that much difference between Floyd and the extra high draft pick we'll pick up in the offseason when Roberts inevitably signs elsewhere. Also keep in mind floyd has only had 1 good season, did most of his good work against the Twins, Indians, and Tigers, not exactly light it up offensive teams while struggling against the AL East. 3893102 2009-01-07T11:06:16-05:00 http://img.fannation.com/upload/user_profile/image/181/008/thumb/31.jpg 32 MD blackL3DG3 Baltimore 181308 18 GM Andy McPhail has done an amazing job or rebuilding the Orioles; Tejada (just before the Mitchell report) for Scott and pitching, Bedard for Jones, Sherril AND Tillman, etc.... For all of those pointing at McPhail, it's Angelos that is a problem, he nixed a deal for Tejada two years ago that would have got the Orioles Erik Aybar AND Ervin Santana and he is definitely the one holding back the Orioles from getting this deal done because B-Rob is his favorite player. No, they don't need to trade Roberts because he's in a walk year, they need to trade him to get younger prospects and pithcing, this accomplishes both. If the ChiSox indeed would give up Floyd for B-rob, straight up, the Orioles should have done this yesterday. They would gain another talented young arm with top of rotation potential and could replace B-Rob adequately by signing free agent Orlando Hudson! Floyd in the rotation and Hudson at 2nd over just B-Rob at 2nd, THIS IS A NO BRAINER IF THE DEAL TRULY EXISTS! Angelos, please allow McPhail continue to work his magic, the city of Baltimore and the Orioles organization was once a proud franchise, even in the AL East! Let go of sentimental value and restore faith to this organization while the opportunity presents itself, PLEASE. 3891297 2009-01-07T10:52:25-05:00 http://img.fannation.com/upload/user_profile/image/181/008/thumb/31.jpg 32 MD blackL3DG3 Baltimore 181308 17 GM Andy McPhail is doing a wonderful job of rebuilding the O's flipping Tejado for Scott and pitching, Bedard for Jones and Tillman, etc....the problem is Angelos, he nixed a deal for Tejada two years ago that would have netted the O's Ervin Santana and Erik Aybar from the Angels! (idiot!) Regardless, McPhail knows what he is doing, it's Angelos holding onto his favorite player. This deal would be huge for Baltimore with the opportunity it presents. Get a young, talented starter in Floyd for a player with one year left (though as Angelos has nixed deals for B-Rob, he would find a way to resign him, he is his favorite player.) Plus if the O's trade the veteran for another great young arm, they could go out and sign Orlando Hudson to play 2nd base. Gavin Floyd and Orlando Hudson or B-Rob?!?! Come on Angelos, allow McPhail to restore this franchise's respect, PLEASE!!! 3890968 26 <p>The trade talks between the Orioles and White Sox regarding excellent leadoff hitter <strong>Brian Roberts</strong> stalled over Baltimore's request for at least one player in addition to young starting pitcher <strong>Gavin Floyd</strong>. "They wanted Floyd plus,'' one person familiar with the talks said.</p> <p>While the talks aren't necessarily considered dead, White Sox GM <strong>Ken Williams</strong> said to Chicago media outlets through a spokesman that he hasn't spoken to the Orioles since November. And one other person told SI.com that the chances for a deal were "pretty iffy,'' based on Baltimore's requests.</p> <p>Roberts, who hit .296 with 107 runs scored and 40 stolen bases this past season, is liked by Williams, who seeks to improve the White Sox's team speed and would love a leadoff hitter. Roberts also has been a target of the Cubs for at least a year.</p> <p>Roberts seemed pleased at the thought of a trade to the contending Cubs. However, he has long been a favorite of Orioles owner <strong>Peter Angelos</strong>, so the price tag has always been high. The young righthander Floyd showed promise last year, going 16-8 for Chicago.</p> 38241 http://img.fannation.com/upload/user_profile/image/100/64/thumb/Heyman_Jon.png 0 NY Jon Heyman New York 10084