Jays' asking price for Halladay too steep for Mets

2009-07-23T13:21:45-04:00

2009-07-20T18:46:42-04:00

2009-07-22T23:46:22-04:00

blueducksports

Colchester 816591

79 Baseball tonight's Steve Phillips thinks the Jays should ask for Kershaw from LA or Joba + Hughes from NYY. Steve Phillips never ceases to amaze. He is constantly proving why he is a former GM, not a current GM, by spouting off about what he would do for trades. This guy was run out of NY because of terrible trades. He's got no credibility. Give it a rest about the trade deadline Steve! http://blueducksports.wordpress.com/2009/07/22/steve-phillips-needs-to-stop-talking/ 6197968

2009-07-22T17:16:45-04:00

THEBASEBALLGOD

Hazlet 816464

78 The BaseballGod Predicts: 1) manu1099 will eventually receive English lessons, but not before he misspells his own name on the winning lottery ticket he wins in 2011, thus making his claim to said ticket null and void (it's supposedly btw - seriously - this site has spell check) 2) Omar Minaya will continue to make "lateral" type deals ... in one such deal, he will send Fernando Tatis to Cleveland for a player to be named later, citing that a change of scenery will be good for Tatis ... the player to be named later will turn out to be none other than Fernando Tatis - Minaya's reasoning ... the change of scenery will be good for Tatis. 3) The NY METS will have achieved a feat once thought impossible in the annals of Baseball, and Sports History. They will be the 1st team in the modern era of baseball to have every single player on their 25 man roster go on the disabled list. It will later be revealed that Tony Bernazard was the cause, having entered the METS dugout, removed his shirt and pants, and challenged the entire METS lineup to a fight. The ensuing brawl disabled all involved. 4) Roy Halladay - the accomplished Toronto Bluejay's Pitcher, ends the 2009 season on the roster of the same team for which he will be the opening day starter during the 2010 season. Playoff Predictions: Who will NOT WIN the World Series: National League: Pittsburgh Pirates, NY METS, WASH NATS Who will NOT WIN the World Series: American League: KCity Royals, Oakland A's, Baltimore Oriole's Baseball Final Four favorites: NL - Dodgers vs Phils AL - BoSox vs Yanks Post Season Most Important Words for 2009: REPLAY PITCHING UMPs Suck! 6194097

2009-07-22T11:46:34-04:00

manu1099

792658

77 I find it difficult to believe that the fairy tale offer the Mets supposibly turned down ever existed. Have you seen these four players. Martinez is way overrated, Parnell may be an OK reliever, the shortstop can't hit. JP would be nuts to even consider this crap. He would however consider Joba, Jackson and myabe Cabrera, but the Yankees would not do that unless the can negotiate with Doc H prior to a trade. 6187541

2009-07-22T09:58:13-04:00

Big G NYC

New York 656537

LOL! Good point Hop Head. I may not be a MLB scout but I do know this...................... WORLD F*CKING CHAMPIONS!!! Oh, and our farm system is much much better than the Mets! LOL

75 The Mets are not exactly a sterling franchise, more like a big market team owned and operated by small market mentality owners. People can say whatever they like about this franchise but, they have won the big one in the past. The Philadelphia Phillies have won 2 World Series, 1980 and 2008. I think that they won first World Series in 98th season of play, a record. Also aren't the Phillies the last of the 16 franchises in existence when the World Series began in 1903 to have won one? Let them three peat then boast and brag all you want, until then, with your two championships since 1903, simply stop talking &*^%. The Mets have won 2 World Series, 1969 and 1986. Oh by the way, even the Cleveland Indians, Florida Marlins, Toronto Blue Jays, and Chicago cubs have all won 2 World Series. Yankees 26, Cardinals 10, A's 9, Red Sox 7, Dodgers 6, Reds & Pirates & Giants each have 5, Tigers 4, White Sox & Braves & Twins & Orioles each have 4. The rest have none. 6184894

2009-07-22T10:31:01-04:00

Eaglesfan1

Croydon 140351

The Mets are not exactly a sterling franchise, more like a big market team owned and operated by small market mentality owners. People can say whatever they like about this franchise but, they have won the big one in the past.The Philadelphia Phillies have won 2 World Series, 1980 and 2008. I think that they won first World Series in 98th season of play, a record. Also aren't the Phillies the last of the 16 franchises in existence when the World Series began in 1903 to have won one? Let them three peat then boast and brag all you want, until then, with your two championships since 1903, simply stop talking &*^%. The Mets have won 2 World Series, 1969 and 1986. Oh by the way, even the Cleveland Indians, Florida Marlins, Toronto Blue Jays, and Chicago cubs have all won 2 World Series.Yankees 26, Cardinals 10, A's 9, Red Sox 7, Dodgers 6, Reds & Pirates & Giants each have 5, Tigers 4, White Sox & Braves & Twins & Orioles each have 4.The rest have none.

76 Wow ok, so I really do give you props for your obscure stat research of the last 100 years of MLB. However, since I can do nothing about the past I will live in the present and will enjoy my WS Championship just as every other fan does and talk a little smack. Just like I had to hear it when the obnoxious Mets/Giants/Yankees fans ranted and raved when they won their titles. You are correct about the Mets ownership. They are horrible and you can thank them for composing a group of individuals that have no commraderie with each other and who are a bunch of Sallys who are hurt all the time. Furthermore, they will be horrible for a time to come due to their incompetance and their unprofessionalism(please see how they handled the Willie Randolf dismissal). So all I can say is even after all of this is... WORLD F*CKING CHAMPIONS! 6185531

2009-07-22T09:29:36-04:00

Eaglesfan1

Croydon 140351

The most intellient quote I've seen here. The banter between Mets and Phillies fans about prospects and who's systems is better, when to use "then" and "than" is making me laugh my arse off. Unless the people on this message board are professional MLB scouts, you don't know squat. I am a Mets fan...agree that they have notoriously over-valued their prospects with two glaring exceptions...Nolan Ryan (maybe doesn't qualify as a prospect) and Scott Kazmir, but no one knows how good these guys will be.

73 LOL! Good point Hop Head. I may not be a MLB scout but I do know this...................... WORLD F*CKING CHAMPIONS!!! Oh, and our farm system is much much better than the Mets! LOL 6184435

2009-07-22T09:58:13-04:00

Big G NYC

New York 656537

LOL! Good point Hop Head. I may not be a MLB scout but I do know this...................... WORLD F*CKING CHAMPIONS!!! Oh, and our farm system is much much better than the Mets! LOL

2009-07-21T10:54:06-04:00

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Momus

No City 347136

As a long suffering Mets fan, I like the idea of this trade. However, it must be a sign and trade deal. Halliday must be "locked up." I agree about offering Reyes. I would offer Tatis and Niese and negotiate from there.

43 Tatis? Fernando Tatis? Do you also have some used towels and broken bats you'd like to throw in with that deal too? 6172082

2009-07-22T09:29:56-04:00

Big G NYC

New York 656537

Tatis? Fernando Tatis? Do you also have some used towels and broken bats you'd like to throw in with that deal too?

74 Reyes, Niese, and Tatis and further negotiation is what I said. However, I think the Mets could also throw in broken baseball bats, as you suggest, and a few fungo balls too. You never give show all of your cards immediately. You must remember that no matter how good Halladay is, he will only play in 1 out of every 4 games on average. Reyes and Tatis (when healthy) are every day players. If Niese is the pitcher that they want, OK. Additionally, the Mets could "up the offer" in their trade negotiations with Toronto. Time is not on Toronto's side if they want a lot in return. I would love for Toronto to take Perez aspart of the package, but that will never happen. 6184391

2009-07-21T23:38:56-04:00

Hop Head

Framingham 815985

What a lot of people forget is that the salary dollars are a big part of the deal. If Halladay's salary was $25M/yr, he'd be worthless in the trade market because no one would want him at that price. His current salary is $14.25M/yr. A team will have to pay him approx $21M over 1.5 years. So that is the first thing a team is giving up ... $21M. And, in turn, the Jays receive $21M of salary relief. Which they can use on other players.So then you have to pad the deal with enough players to make up the difference between what you will have to pay him and what you feel he is actually worth. If Halladay was only making $5M/yr, then the Jays could get more for him.Many fans evaluate these deals based solely upon the talent and potential of the players involved, but that is losing sight of a key aspect of the trade.So in addition to the 4 prospects listed above, the Mets also have to throw in $21M to make the deal. I can't blame them for being reluctant to make this deal.

72 The most intellient quote I've seen here. The banter between Mets and Phillies fans about prospects and who's systems is better, when to use "then" and "than" is making me laugh my arse off. Unless the people on this message board are professional MLB scouts, you don't know squat. I am a Mets fan...agree that they have notoriously over-valued their prospects with two glaring exceptions...Nolan Ryan (maybe doesn't qualify as a prospect) and Scott Kazmir, but no one knows how good these guys will be. 6182168

2009-07-22T09:29:36-04:00

Eaglesfan1

Croydon 140351

73 LOL! Good point Hop Head. I may not be a MLB scout but I do know this...................... WORLD F*CKING CHAMPIONS!!! Oh, and our farm system is much much better than the Mets! LOL 6184435

2009-07-21T02:04:42-04:00

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Yaz #8

Oregon 206397

31 What a lot of people forget is that the salary dollars are a big part of the deal. If Halladay's salary was $25M/yr, he'd be worthless in the trade market because no one would want him at that price. His current salary is $14.25M/yr. A team will have to pay him approx $21M over 1.5 years. So that is the first thing a team is giving up ... $21M. And, in turn, the Jays receive $21M of salary relief. Which they can use on other players. So then you have to pad the deal with enough players to make up the difference between what you will have to pay him and what you feel he is actually worth. If Halladay was only making $5M/yr, then the Jays could get more for him. Many fans evaluate these deals based solely upon the talent and potential of the players involved, but that is losing sight of a key aspect of the trade. So in addition to the 4 prospects listed above, the Mets also have to throw in $21M to make the deal. I can't blame them for being reluctant to make this deal. 6168541

2009-07-21T23:38:56-04:00

Hop Head

Framingham 815985

2009-07-21T22:46:09-04:00

Jeffinwesternwa

Camas 815902

71 Throw in (also))Murphy, Castillo, Sheffield, Tatais and Perez and pay their contracts too!Season is OVER, rebuild around Citifield, that means pitchin and DEFENSE, over winter sign/trade for: infielders (1B and 2B) w/ range and @B also needs speed, a LF, a catcher, a innings eater #4 starter who's durable, to go w/ rotationo w/ Santana, Halliday, Maine, Pelfrey, et all, another deceent long man for the pen, find the OF or1B that has power (#4 type hitter behind wright and before Francour) hope Reyes, Beltran, pitchers can get healthy, Pagan can be #4 OF, time to rebuild! 6181574

2009-07-21T19:25:56-04:00

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neu1983

Clermont 593392

70 Mets need to pull the trigger. Give up those scrubs for Halliday. Im tired of being promised good teams and only recieving "Choke Artists". Even if they're out of it this year they gotta be favorates for next. 6179830

<div class="photo_container image_right"> <div class="photo"><img src="http://img.fannation.com/upload/si_blog_post_images/39041/fernando-martinez-720.jpg" alt="Fernando-martinez-720" /></div> <div class="photo_attributes" style="text-align: left;">Mets prospect Fernando Martinez hit .176 with one homer in<br />29 games before hitting the disabled list.<br />David Saffran/Icon SMI<br /></div> </div> <p>Toronto's request of the Mets for star pitcher <strong>Roy Halladay</strong> was for top outfield prospect <strong>Fernando Martinez</strong>, young pitchers <strong>Bobby Parnell</strong> and <strong>Jon Niese</strong> and shortstop prospect <strong>Ruben Tejada</strong>, sources tell SI.com.<br /><br />The Mets responded with a resounding no.<br /><br />The Mets don't appear to be in the middle of talks now, after hearing what it will take. Mets people have made clear that they have no intention of "mortgaging their future,'' certainly not with the team nine games out in the NL East. There's also no guarantee Halladay would accept a trade to the Mets now, as he has said he wants to take a chance on winning. At this point, the Mets would appear to be a small chance at winning, probably not much more than the Jays.<br /><br />At the very least, the four-player package provides the best glimpse at what Toronto seeks in return for arguably baseball's best pitcher.<br /><br />Jays GM <strong>J.P. Ricciardi</strong> called the likelihood of a trade for Halladay "50-50'' in an interview over the weekend.</p> http://img.fannation.com/upload/user_profile/image/100/64/thumb/Heyman_Jon.png 0 NY

Jon Heyman

New York 10084 70781 <div class="photo_container image_right"> <div class="photo"><img src="http://img.fannation.com/upload/si_blog_post_images/39041/fernando-martinez-720.jpg" alt="Fernando-martinez-720" /></div> <div class="photo_attributes" style="text-align: left;">Mets prospect Fernando Martinez hit .176 with one homer in<br />29 games before hitting the disabled list.<br />David Saffran/Icon SMI<br /></div> </div> <p>Toronto's request of the Mets for star pitcher <strong>Roy Halladay</strong> was for top outfield prospect <strong>Fernando Martinez</strong>, young pitchers <strong>Bobby Parnell</strong> and <strong>Jon Niese</strong> and shortstop prospect <strong>Ruben Tejada</strong>, sources tell SI.com.<br /><br />The Mets responded with a resounding no.<br /><br />The Mets don't appear to be in the middle of talks now, after hearing what it will take. Mets people have made clear that they have no intention of "mortgaging their future,'' certainly not with the team nine games out in the NL East. There's also no guarantee Halladay would accept a trade to the Mets now, as he has said he wants to take a chance on winning. At this point, the Mets would appear to be a small chance at winning, probably not much more than the Jays.<br /><br />At the very least, the four-player package provides the best glimpse at what Toronto seeks in return for arguably baseball's best pitcher.<br /><br />Jays GM <strong>J.P. Ricciardi</strong> called the likelihood of a trade for Halladay "50-50'' in an interview over the weekend.</p>