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  <title>Who should win the NL Cy Young Award?</title>
  <published-at type="datetime">2008-08-26T14:01:12-04:00</published-at>
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        <body>Put Lincecum on the Angles, Sox, Rays or...even the Rangers (with a better bullpen) and that little freak would have at least 25 wins right now.  Problem is...MOST PEOPLE DONT KNOW WHO HE IS.  Put Webb or C.C. on the Giants and their numbers would go to crap due to the simple mental factor of having your wins taken from you because of lack of run support and a weak bullpen.
When you have a team that can put up runs...you relax.  You pitch better.  When you have a team that almost requres you give up 2 or fewer runs in an outing...think that is stressful?
Lincecum is one of the most dominating pitchers to set foot on the mound since Nolan Ryan folks.  I just hope he gets sick of the Giants and goes to the Red Sox...like Matt Cain will.</body>
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        <body>Santana has only been good over about 10 games.  Are you just going to dismiss all his AL starts?  Brandon Webb in that same time period has put up similar numbers.  If you can dismiss all of Santana's AL starts, then I get to dismiss all of June for Webb.  How about that?

Webb has been great all year.  He will accumulate over 20 wins on one of the worst offensive teams in baseball, and will likely lead his team to the playoffs.  He will finish in the top 10 in just about every pitching category, and likely the top 5 in most of them.

I say Brandon Webb wins in a near landslide.  If he was pitching on the east coast, no one would even be disputing this.</body>
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        <body>Who will win the NL Cy Young Award?  Brandon Webb.

Who should win the NL Cy Young Award?  Tim Lincecum.

Lincy's only trailing Webb in wins (19 - 14) and WHIP (1.12 - 1.18).  And as several other people have mentioned, the Giants can barely field a AAA caliber offense.  Factor in Lincecum's lead in ERA (2.43 - 2.96) and strikeouts (210 - 157) and how insanely good he is on the road (1.98 ERA) and you've got your winner right there.

But, of course, Webb's a lock for 20 wins, so he's a lock for the award.  The only chance Lincecum has is if he gets five more starts and wins them all.  If you don't believe me, check out the 2005 AL CY vote.  Anyone who honestly believes that Bartolo Colon was better than Johan Santana that year should be thrown into the loony bin.</body>
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        <created-at>2008-08-28T12:57:36-04:00</created-at>
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        <body>And the  winner is......Timmy &amp;quot;The Franchise&amp;quot; Lincecum! In a landslide.  With all due respect to the great season Webb is having, it doesn't compare with The Freak's Season.  He has a MLB LOW 2.43 era(more than a half run lower than Webb), 15-3 (on one of the worst offensive teams on the planet.  The Giants have one guy with over 10hrs!  His bullpen has blown 6 saves. 210k(more than 50 of that of Webb).  And as for C.C, let's not even go there.  Talk to me when he has a full season in the N.L.  And he is not 8-0-he is 14-8 with 2.98 era for the year!  Let's wrap up this debate and hand it the Cy Young over to Lincecum( The most exciting, electric and dominating pitcher in the majors!) oh and did I mention the kid is only 24!  Oh boy.</body>
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        <body>I still haven't seen anyone supporting CC or Webb come up with any sort of convincing argument as to why a pitcher with a better ERA, more K's, and a better winning % (isn't that kind of like the pitching triple crown?) than either of them isn't mentioned with either of them.

It seems that either people are completely with Lincecum, or they only can compare Webb and CC. Maybe despite his numbers there could be a debate that Lincecum is not the most dominant pitcher in the league (though if you're lucky enough to have been able to watch him pitch you'd probably have a hard time disputing that), but anyone that's comparing Webb and CC with statistics and don't bring him up are simply doing this debate a disservice.</body>
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        <body>I still haven't seen anyone supporting CC or Webb come up with any sort of convincing argument as to why a pitcher with a better ERA, more K's, and a better winning % (isn't that kind of like the pitching triple crown?) than either of them isn't mentioned with either of them.

It seems that either people are completely with Lincecum, or they only can compare Webb and CC. Maybe despite his numbers there could be a debate that Lincecum is not the most dominant pitcher in the league (though if you're lucky enough to have been able to watch him pitch you'd probably have a hard time disputing that), but anyone that's comparing Webb and CC with statistics and don't bring him up are simply doing this debate a disservice.</body>
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        <body>TIM LINCECUM without question. After last nights average performance he has lowered his era to tie Cliff Lee for the best in the majors and not to mention leads the league in strikeouts. Coincidentally Licncecum and Lee (AL's lock for Cy Young) have the same era and IP at this point in the season. Lincecums' pitching line last night ten k's 7 2/3 IP and one earned run. His top competitor for Cy Young Webb's line on Tuesday awful I believe 6 ER in five innings or something. Webb's performance is worst than any of Lincecums' not only this season but probably in his career. If Lincecum can win three more games this season and lead the Majors in ERA and K's on a club with an awful offense not only should he win the NL Cy Young he should be considered the most dominant pitcher in the majors in the 2008 year.</body>
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        <body>TIM LINCECUM without question. After last nights average performance he has lowered his era to tie Cliff Lee for the best in the majors and not to mention leads the league in strikeouts. Coincidentally Licncecum and Lee (AL's lock for Cy Young) have the same era and IP at this point in the season. Lincecums' pitching line last night ten k's 7 2/3 IP and one earned run. His top competitor for Cy Young Webb's line on Tuesday awful I believe 6 ER in five innings or something. Webb's performance is worst than any of Lincecums' not only this season but probably in his career. If Lincecum can win three more games this season and lead the Majors in ERA and K's on a club with an awful offense not only should he win the NL Cy Young he should be considered the most dominant pitcher in the majors in the 2008 year.</body>
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        <body>I think that would be awesome if CC won it.  Cleveland hadn't won a Cy Young in 30 years and then in a way you could say they win it 3 times in 2 years.  Although Bud Selig is a brass hole, Millwakee is kind of like Cleveland.  The Indians played there last year as a home team.  Old Milwakee stadium was used as a stunt double for the Old Cleveland Stadium in the movie Major League.</body>
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        <body>I totally disagree, You have to look at his opponents.  ALL the games he has pitched in and will pitch in are against Sub 500 teams (Except for the cub games)

In one of his three games against the cubs, he go a no decision. He has 2 more games against the cubs, and the rest are Sub 500 teams.</body>
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  <body>&lt;p&gt;The man for whom the award for the best pitcher in each league is named was once himself traded to the opposite league at mid-season. Cy Young was dealt from the AL&amp;#39;s Indians to the NL&amp;#39;s Braves in 1911, his final season. Young followed his 3-4 start&amp;nbsp;with Cleveland by going 4-5 for Boston,&amp;nbsp;numbers hardly worthy of his Hall of Fame resume.&amp;nbsp;Of course, Young was anything but at the time, a 44-year-old veteran of 22 big league seasons in which he won 511 games, pitched 7,354 2/3 innings and completed 749 of his 815 career starts. His right arm must have looked as puffy and out of shape as CC Sabathia appears to be.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Looks, of course, should be no more a hindrance to winning the Cy Young award than switching leagues is. The real criteria should come from quality of performance,&amp;nbsp;with added incentive given to those whose performance boosts their team to a postseason berth. All of which is &lt;a href=&quot;http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/steve_aschburner/08/26/aschburner.sabathia/index.html?eref=T1&quot;&gt;why CC&amp;nbsp;Sabathia should become the first pitcher to win the Cy Young award&lt;/a&gt; in back-to-back years in different leagues. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;What do you think? Has Sabathia been in the NL long enough to qualify for such a prestigious award? Should there be a rule mandating a minimum number of starts or appearances or at-bats for those who switch leagues before they can win an award? If not Sabathia for Cy, who should win? Let us know.&lt;/p&gt;</body>
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