2008-12-04T21:05:16-05:00 Oklahoma over Texas not really an outrage 2008-12-01T19:51:34-05:00 455 2008-12-01T19:51:34-05:00 1 46 10 2008-12-04T20:16:18-05:00 3 TX JustTheFactsMam Houston 625669 Quote(#456)If Florida beats Alabama this weekend watch Florida's rise in the BCS computer rankings. I just want the change to be quantified as to the components that most affect the ranking change. 458 Actually it is remarkable that the different methodogies for the computer ranking systems are not outlined somewhere. Maybe they are, but I have not found them on the web or elsewhere. Please advise. 3542901 2008-12-04T21:05:16-05:00 588 TX Tbrent Austin 619397 Actually it is remarkable that the different methodogies for the computer ranking systems are not outlined somewhere. Maybe they are, but I have not found them on the web or elsewhere. Please advise. 459 It is a rational scam I agree. 3543253 2008-12-04T20:08:28-05:00 3 TX JustTheFactsMam Houston 625669 457 Quote(#456) If Florida beats Alabama this weekend watch Florida's rise in the BCS computer rankings. I just want the change to be quantified as to the components that most affect the ranking change. 3542767 2008-12-04T20:16:18-05:00 3 TX JustTheFactsMam Houston 625669 Quote(#456)If Florida beats Alabama this weekend watch Florida's rise in the BCS computer rankings. I just want the change to be quantified as to the components that most affect the ranking change. 458 Actually it is remarkable that the different methodogies for the computer ranking systems are not outlined somewhere. Maybe they are, but I have not found them on the web or elsewhere. Please advise. 3542901 2008-12-04T20:08:28-05:00 3 TX JustTheFactsMam Houston 625669 457 Quote(#456) If Florida beats Alabama this weekend watch Florida's rise in the BCS computer rankings. I just want the change to be quantified as to the components that most affect the ranking change. 3542767 2008-12-04T20:00:47-05:00 3 TX JustTheFactsMam Houston 625669 455 I would just like to understand the facts. Has anyone provided any explanation as why Texas was favored in the computer polls the week before, and then the next week Oklahoma has way ahead in the computer polls. Has anyone identified the key items that reversed the rankings? Do the team rankings at the time of defeat get locked in, or does the changing team record is what is used for the computer scoring. I know there are different computer systems, but has there ever been, on the record, a detailed outline of each computer methodogies. It still seeeeems to be such a large change at the last game of the season? Why do we have such faith in a non-transparent system? 3542695 2008-12-04T20:03:36-05:00 588 TX Tbrent Austin 619397 I would just like to understand the facts. Has anyone provided any explanation as why Texas was favored in the computer polls the week before, and then the next week Oklahoma has way ahead in the computer polls. Has anyone identified the key items that reversed the rankings? Do the team rankings at the time of defeat get locked in, or does the changing team record is what is used for the computer scoring. I know there are different computer systems, but has there ever been, on the record, a detailed outline of each computer methodogies. It still seeeeems to be such a large change at the last game of the season?Why do we have such faith in a non-transparent system? 456 OU played and beat a quality opponent in OSU. If Florida beats Alabama this weekend watch Florida's rise in the BCS computer rankings. 3542733 2008-12-04T20:00:47-05:00 3 TX JustTheFactsMam Houston 625669 455 I would just like to understand the facts. Has anyone provided any explanation as why Texas was favored in the computer polls the week before, and then the next week Oklahoma has way ahead in the computer polls. Has anyone identified the key items that reversed the rankings? Do the team rankings at the time of defeat get locked in, or does the changing team record is what is used for the computer scoring. I know there are different computer systems, but has there ever been, on the record, a detailed outline of each computer methodogies. It still seeeeems to be such a large change at the last game of the season? Why do we have such faith in a non-transparent system? 3542695 2008-12-04T18:38:20-05:00 2 TX boredw/B(c)S Blanco 625545 454 Horay for the looser bowl, big 12 championship? 3542133 2008-12-04T14:46:58-05:00 16 TX 4wheels Dallas 615329 SoonerQ, I was arguing for the Sooners sake. I was saying that OU should have got that call on their interception and perhaps that would have turned the momentum to Oklahoma's side. hookemhorns1220 was trying to say that Texas barely lost to Tech, which is true. But I was trying to point out that I thought Oklahoma barely lost to Texas. Just a thought. 450 The non-interception by OU in the end zone was the correct call. The states you have to maintain possession thorughout the play. It is just like a receiver who catches the ball inbounds and bobbles the possession upon impact out of bounds. The late hits were the real travesty of the calls against OU. To C U in Miami - great observation! I have posted those stats sveral times myself. As for Howie Mandels head-tohead argument A beats B, who beats C, who losses to A is a circle that goes on for infinity. You have to have a tie breaker to escape the circle. The argument of throwing out the lowest BCS ranking for a head-to-head comparison is also ridiculous because you are still using the computers. He only promotes that because it justifies his pre-determined position. TX fans and the media would not mention it if the scenario were OU #2, TTU#3, UT#4, or even UT#2, TTU #3, OU #4. BTW UT for for the tie breaker system back in 1999 and had not problem with it until it adversely affected them. 3538788 2008-12-04T17:27:24-05:00 http://img.fannation.com/upload/user_profile/image/622/955/thumb/Oklahoma-Football-LOADED-Wa.jpg 21 VA SoonerQ Williamsburg 623595 The non-interception by OU in the end zone was the correct call. The states you have to maintain possession thorughout the play. It is just like a receiver who catches the ball inbounds and bobbles the possession upon impact out of bounds. The late hits were the real travesty of the calls against OU. 453 You are drunk. Find a way to look at the play once again. THE BALL NEVER TOUCHED THE GROUND!!!!!! NEVER. NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 3541491 2008-12-04T15:02:52-05:00 16 TX 4wheels Dallas 615329 452 Oh, and one last thing - Here is a Mandel quote from his mailbag today - &quot;As fun as it's been to watch the Big 12 this year, it would be presumptuous to assume that the top two teams in the country play in that conference without actually watching one of them take on the top team from another league.&quot; - I believe that OU beat the Big East champion, Cincinnatti, this year. 3539131 2008-12-04T14:43:24-05:00 20 TX hookemhorns1220 Irving 623996 449 Yeah...everyone talks about how great ou's offense is...but there Defense is terrible. Texas hasn't allowed any team to score 40 points on them all year!...ou cannot make that claim! 3538764 2008-12-04T14:59:12-05:00 http://img.fannation.com/upload/user_profile/image/328/13/thumb/johnnychimpo02_funnyFULLCOLOR_tn.jpg 540 GA pharaoh Kingsland 32913 Yeah...everyone talks about how great ou's offense is...but there Defense is terrible. Texas hasn't allowed any team to score 40 points on them all year!...ou cannot make that claim! 451 Way to jump on board. I will take OU's defense over UT's. With OU's 7 second rule, the offense is going to score quickly and the defense is going to be on the field for more than half of the game. The way that OU's defense gets off of the field is turnovers. They are very aggressive, as indicated by the +20 turnover margin. They are more athletic and faster than UT's defense. They don't have the depth due to injuries, but they are still here. OU has given up most of their points in the second half, when the game was well in hand. Since most of you have basic cable, you haven't been able to watch a majority of college games. That said, I think that UT is better suited to beat Alabama, should they win this weekend. I think that they can play defense well enough to slow Bama down. Their offense would probably struggle early against Alabama, but wear them down in the second half. UT would lose a close game to UF because they have a propensity to give up big plays to athletes the caliber of Florida's. They do have the benefit of having played against spread offenses all year long. OU on the other hand would stroke Alabama. Alabama's only shot to stop OU would be to knock Bradford from the game. Alabama's offense is good with a lead and Coffey running the ball. If they are behind by more than 14, they are toast. OU would have a more difficult time with UF, because UF plays a brand of the spread that OU is typically susceptible to. The zone-read spread option with a qb like Tebow usually causes OU trouble. You only need to look at K-State with Bishop or especially Ell Roberson and Darren Sproles. An OU-UF game would be interesting, as UF has not faced another spread team this entire year. The closest to it in the SEC beat them at home. 3539062 2008-12-03T23:30:37-05:00 http://img.fannation.com/upload/user_profile/image/622/804/thumb/IMG_0082.jpg 69 IrishAllDay 623444 422 SoonerQ, I was arguing for the Sooners sake. I was saying that OU should have got that call on their interception and perhaps that would have turned the momentum to Oklahoma's side. hookemhorns1220 was trying to say that Texas barely lost to Tech, which is true. But I was trying to point out that I thought Oklahoma barely lost to Texas. Just a thought. 3531028 2008-12-04T14:46:58-05:00 16 TX 4wheels Dallas 615329 SoonerQ, I was arguing for the Sooners sake. I was saying that OU should have got that call on their interception and perhaps that would have turned the momentum to Oklahoma's side. hookemhorns1220 was trying to say that Texas barely lost to Tech, which is true. But I was trying to point out that I thought Oklahoma barely lost to Texas. Just a thought. 450 The non-interception by OU in the end zone was the correct call. The states you have to maintain possession thorughout the play. It is just like a receiver who catches the ball inbounds and bobbles the possession upon impact out of bounds. The late hits were the real travesty of the calls against OU. To C U in Miami - great observation! I have posted those stats sveral times myself. As for Howie Mandels head-tohead argument A beats B, who beats C, who losses to A is a circle that goes on for infinity. You have to have a tie breaker to escape the circle. The argument of throwing out the lowest BCS ranking for a head-to-head comparison is also ridiculous because you are still using the computers. He only promotes that because it justifies his pre-determined position. TX fans and the media would not mention it if the scenario were OU #2, TTU#3, UT#4, or even UT#2, TTU #3, OU #4. BTW UT for for the tie breaker system back in 1999 and had not problem with it until it adversely affected them. 3538788 455 <div class="photo_container image_right" style="width: 300px;"> <div class="photo"><img src="http://img.fannation.com/upload/si_blog_post_images/sweep.ou.ap.jpg" alt="Sweep" width="300" height="400" /></div> <div class="photo_attributes" style="text-align: left;">Oklahoma ran away from the competition in the Big 12.<br />AP</div> </div> <p>Count me among the minority of mainstream media folks, but I'm fine with Oklahoma getting the nod over Texas in the Big 12 tiebreaker.</p> <p>Clearly, the head-to-head argument is an easy one to make, and there is no denying Texas was better in Dallas. But people need to remember it was a <em>three</em>-way tie, not a <em>two</em>-way tie.</p> <p>Texas Tech was quickly dismissed from the discussion because it lost 65-21 to Oklahoma. So ... if Texas Tech had lost by 10 or so, would it have still been a three-team discussion? Would factors such as who was playing best now, non-conference performance and comparative scores been examined between all&nbsp;<em>three</em> teams? If so, those all favored OU. But because Oklahoma played&nbsp;<em>so well</em>&nbsp;against Texas Tech, it became a Texas-OU discussion, and the Longhorns won head-to-head. End of story. My point: you can't penalize Oklahoma for beating Texas Tech by 44.</p> <p>Unlike the BCS computers, I'm a believer in margin of victory. In the round robin between the three 11-1 teams, OU was a plus-34, Texas was a plus-4, Texas Tech was minus-38. In Big 12 games, OU was a plus-195, Texas a plus-149 and Texas Tech a plus-101. Plus, Oklahoma had the toughest non-conference slate.</p> <p>Ideally, we'd have a four-team playoff between Texas, OU, Alabama and Florida. But with the system the way it is, Oklahoma (assuming a win over Missouri)&nbsp;vs. the SEC winner does not feel like an outrage.</p> http://img.fannation.com/upload/user_profile/image/425/01/thumb/trocchi_bill.jpg 0 GA Bill Trocchi Tucker 42721 28161 <div class="photo_container image_right" style="width: 300px;"> <div class="photo"><img src="http://img.fannation.com/upload/si_blog_post_images/sweep.ou.ap.jpg" alt="Sweep" width="300" height="400" /></div> <div class="photo_attributes" style="text-align: left;">Oklahoma ran away from the competition in the Big 12.<br />AP</div> </div> <p>Count me among the minority of mainstream media folks, but I'm fine with Oklahoma getting the nod over Texas in the Big 12 tiebreaker.</p> <p>Clearly, the head-to-head argument is an easy one to make, and there is no denying Texas was better in Dallas. But people need to remember it was a <em>three</em>-way tie, not a <em>two</em>-way tie.</p> <p>Texas Tech was quickly dismissed from the discussion because it lost 65-21 to Oklahoma. So ... if Texas Tech had lost by 10 or so, would it have still been a three-team discussion? Would factors such as who was playing best now, non-conference performance and comparative scores been examined between all&nbsp;<em>three</em> teams? If so, those all favored OU. But because Oklahoma played&nbsp;<em>so well</em>&nbsp;against Texas Tech, it became a Texas-OU discussion, and the Longhorns won head-to-head. End of story. My point: you can't penalize Oklahoma for beating Texas Tech by 44.</p>