Recommencing Weis Watch

2008-12-18T17:29:41-05:00

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2008-11-14T18:14:34-05:00

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CharMit

Las Vegas 24671

35 It has been said that Notre Dame would never again be a power in college football because of its high academic standards. Weis seems to be suggesting that this is not true, but at the same time his success in recruiting raises concerns about his ability to coach. Perhaps as was mentioned he is another Zook. What seems clear is that Weis is weakening Notre Dame's strength of schedule each year. If he continues weakening the schedule, and keeps on compiling top recruiting classes, he should at least be somewhat successful in the future. Just look at Boise St to see what can be done with a weak schedule. 3343670

2008-12-18T17:29:41-05:00

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Mc Lovin

Marshall 631362

What seems clear is that Weis is weakening Notre Dame's strength of schedule each year.

37 You have absolutely no clue as to what you are talking about. First of all, the head coach doesn't "make the schedule" the athletic director does. Second, Notre Dame has and continues to play the SAME core schedule as they have done for the past 20-25 years at least. think of it as their conference schedule. Virtually every year, they play: Michigan Michigan St Purdue (3 Big 10 teams) Pittsburgh Boston College (2 Big East teams) Stanford USC (2 Pac 10 teams) Navy (traditional rival) that is as tough or tougher than ANY conference schedule in the country. USC and Michigan are perennial top 10 or even top 5 programs. Mich St, Purdue, Pitt, Boston Coll and even Navy are now annual bowl teams. Stanford has been down but is no slouch. Notre Dame supplements that core 8 games which is virtually unchanged every year, with usually at least 2 and usually 3 more BCS conf games, making a schedule that was 10-11 BCS conf opponents most years, which very few teams play. Notre Dame has NEVER played a Div 1-AA team unlike every SEC school and most Big 12 schools. With the addition of a 12th game, Notre Dame has scheduled teams like San Diego St and Nevada. I suppose they could have gone the route of the Alabamas and Floridas and Texas Techs and played a low level hypenated school or a 1-AA team or a Citadel or something, but at least they are playing teams from decent conferences like the WAC with that extra game. So as usual, you are wrong. Notre Dame is not lightening their schedule under Weis. They played 9 bowl teams in 2007 and have a tougher schedule this year than either Alabama or USC this year. Instead of talking out of your a-s-s as usual Charmit, why don't you actually do a little research and studying so you have some clue as to what you are talking about you nitwit. 3705500

2008-11-16T10:38:54-05:00

madtownmatt

Charlottesville 600728

36 Charlie Weis is one of the most arrogant and self-important coaches I have ever heard speak, dare I say it, even eclipsing the 'ole ball coach' in gamecock land. As Notre Dame is no stranger to sanctimony or arrogance themselves perhaps Weiss is a perfect fit. Let's take a closer look at that. From day one in his opening press conference Weis demonstrated his arrogance saying: "First of all, they've got to learn about us. Now let them try to stop a pro-style offense. Let's see how they're going to do. They've had their advantage, because I came into recruiting late."..."But now it's Xs and Os time. Let's see who has the advantage now." Four seasons later Weiss is exactly where Bob Davie was. When Weis was 1-9 before finishing with wins over Duke and Stanford, he was asked if the program would soon turn around Wies said "I'm going to answer that very cautiously, because I don't want to be called sarcastic using New Jersey rhetoric. So let me just say people better enjoy it now, have their fun now." Taunting teams from a 1-9 record, and threatening Duke and Stanford, what a class act, he's sounds almost like Tom Osborne or Abraham Lincoln doesn't he? Charlie's threatening to unleash a holy terror on the badboys of the BCS: Note to you guys in Norman, Austin, Columbus, Gainsville, be afraid, very afraid. Add to that the musical seats he's playing: he's calling the plays, then not calling the plays after the offense struggles, then he's starting to call the plays again before two likely wins. It is becoming apparent (if it wasn't already) how much of an ego this man has. After failing offensively, Weis turned to Mike Haywood calling the plays saying "I think that some of the creativity that comes in offense sometimes gets stymied when you have a domineering head coach that happens to be an offensive guy". At least he chose the word 'domineering' instead of 'dominant'. However, last week Weis had another idea: "I've been trying to do the head-coach stuff where you kind of delegate. But when there's a problem and an area where you believe you can be part of the answer, you'd better go fix it." One of Weis' sentiments seems crystal clear: "I just don't have etched in stone what I'm going to do at this point," Weis said Sunday. Should we expect Weis to step aside from calling the plays immediately before the week of the USC game?? One comment from a pro scout is not atypical: "Charlie Weis is arrogant as hell. I couldn't even talk to him before the game last year. I tried to. It was a one-sided conversation. After asking him six different questions and getting little to no answer, I went to the other side of the field..." But apparently, in spite of (while cynics may say due to) his arrogance, Charlie Weis is a good fit for Notre Dame. With a 'big' win over Navy this week, and the A.D.'s full endorsement, I fully expect to see Weis' contract extended through the next coming of Hailey's comet in 2061. 3351847

2008-11-14T18:14:34-05:00

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CharMit

Las Vegas 24671

2008-11-14T12:39:56-05:00

Rudi

Irvine 486274

34 Is Weiss a candidate for the job at UW? 3339580

2008-11-14T09:07:31-05:00

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LSUSteve71

Baton Rouge 76519

33 Notre Dame isn't very good because they simply don't have the talent level of other programs. In the past, high school stars went to Notre Dame for the national exposure, but nowadays you can go all sorts of places and get the same exposure due to increased coverage by cable networks. When you combine this fact with the academic requirements of the school, it makes it pretty obvious that Notre Dame will be more limited in the quality of their recruits than lots of other programs. I do believe that Notre Dame will have success in the future, I just don't think they will ever see a return to their glory days, no matter who the head coach is. Having said that, though, Weiss should at least be able to break even against ranked teams. If he doesn't start winning some of these games against teams with winning records, he'll be gone at the end of next season, and rightfully so. 3336715

2008-11-13T22:16:46-05:00

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junes daddy

osceola 136715

32 phil from SoCal, Two of the players were QBs, one was a tightend, and the other was a reciever. These happen to be positions that the team is loaded at so it was just a matter of these guys wanting to see the field. It is the same situation as SC loosing 2 RBs that last 2 years because of not being satisfied with their playing time. I'll give you Saban b/c he has done an incredible job in a short time. But these other programs never lost recruiting classes the way ND did. They might not have gotten the greatest talent with their previous coaches but they always filled out their classes, which still gives you depth. Florida and Oklahoma didn't loose much as far as talent either with their previous coach, b/c both were very good recruiters, just not very good coaches. As far as SC, goes they are in one of the major hot beds for talent and those kids were just dyiing to help SC get back to the top with a good coach. Carroll can get recruits just as easy as walking out his back door and pick them off the tree. ND on the other hand is not a hot bed for anything and they have to recruit the nation which can be hard to pull a lot of these kids away from their area. Look at the top 100 high school kids and see where they are from and look at the majority of the schools on there wish list. Usually Pac 10 kids stay west, Big 12 stay in Big 12 country, and SEC stay in the south, b/c that is who these kids grew up following. Just to give you an example of the recruiting dilema Cw had to work with, TYs second to last class was filled with 2 OL, 0 WRs, 0 RBs, 0 TEs, & 0 DL, now you tell me how any school can loose that much and not be affected. Any good coach knows you have to recruit a very balanced class across the board evey year, and even heavier in the line positions. 3334160

2008-11-13T21:50:24-05:00

phil from SoCal

Costa Mesa 93518

31 Having those players leave the program looks to me like more evidence that Weis is a jerk and a poor fit as a college coach. Making excuses and pointing to next year at this point just does not cut it. If he were an elite coach the way he was hyped, he would have produced more by now. Pete Carroll, Urban Meyer, Bob Stoops, and Nick Saban have done a whole lot better in much less time. 3333918

2008-11-13T21:27:04-05:00

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junes daddy

osceola 136715

30 phil from SoCal, CW's first recruiting class are seniors right now, and that class should of been pretty much rapped up by the time he took the job at ND. EX: Next years class CW already has 17 verbal commitments made. Right now there are 6 seniors who get significant playing time along with 2 5th year seniors and the talent level of these players is not at the same level as the kids they've been recruiting the last 2 years (fresh. & soph.). His class of current juniors was a decent class but lost some of the big guys he had committed on signing day and at least 4 more that have since left the program. He will end up next year with 14 seniors contributing heavy next year (if Yeatmen and Walls make it back in school), and I don't know of any 5th year eligability that might be out there. That is still going to double the senior class as far as playing time, which everyone should know is very important as far as leadership and a quieting force on the field when things are heading in the wrong direction. As I said earlier the more redshirting he does now is the foundation the this team will be built on in the future. Am I satisfied with how they are playing right now, heck no, but I do see that he is recruiting and redshirting the right way to build the program back up to the level it was when Holtz was here not only to be good but also to have staying power. Look at Pete Carroll, and how he has built SC, it all starts with talent, then depth, which in turn brings hard competition at your own practices, which will elevate the play of eveyone. The ones that don't elevate their game will not play or transfer. 3333711

2008-11-13T20:12:05-05:00

phil from SoCal

Costa Mesa 93518

29 Frustrated Fan: You missed a year. The "rushed recuiting" class signed in Feb 2005. Then Charlie has 3 full classes since then, the ones that signed in Feb 2006, 2007, and 2008. There are guys from Charlie's first recruiting year in 2005 that are playing in the NFL this season. It is ridiculous to try and blame previous coaches at this point. 3333084

2008-11-13T17:55:54-05:00

JFoster

San Antonio 433201

28 Mallory - spell check would've caught "publically." I would deduct 10 Internets for this offense, but at least you didn't type "pubically." 3332183

<div class="photo_container image_right"> <div class="photo"><img src="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/images/11/12/charlie-weis-vent.jpg" alt="Double Click to select a Photo" /></div> <div class="photo_attributes" style="text-align:right;">A bum knee is just one of Charlie Weis' problems this season.</div> <div class="photo_attributes" style="text-align:right;">AP</div> </div> <p>A little more than a month ago, <strong>Charlie Weis</strong> probably allowed himself to smile. Sure, <a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3687149" target="_blank">his knee was a mess</a> of sinew and scraps, but the Irish were sporting a winning record (4-1) at long last. As his squad prepared to take on newly-relevant UNC, Weis might have fondly viewed his crutches as an accessory to success. <br /><br />But Notre Dame dropped that one, and then two of the next three (and perhaps most embarrassingly of all, actually allowed the impossibly abysmal Washington Huskies <a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/ncaa/recaps/2008/10/25/37890_recap.html" target="_blank">to score a touchdown</a>). <br /><br />After Saturday's shutout loss to Boston College, Weis announced his intention to reclaim control of Notre Dame's offense. Some Irish fans undoubtedly considered the announcement good news, but columnist <a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/8779214/Nice-time-to-ride-to-the-rescue,-Charlie" target="_blank"><strong>Jason Whitlock</strong> ripped Weis</a> for publically embarrassing his offensive coordinator. <br /><br />The scrutiny's nothing new for Weis, whose Notre Dame tenure has been rife with bumps and potholes (indeed, one could argue this season's successful opening stretch was the real bump, and the rest of the Weis Era has been one smooth, steady stream of disappointment). <br /><br />Even after last season's 3-9 debacle, SIOC contributor <strong>Phil Guidry</strong> insisted the Notre Dame brass would hang onto Weis (who's singed through 2015) after this season regardless of the team's record for three reasons: They've invested $30 million in his contract, they've seen what an effective recruiter he can be and <a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/sioncampus/09/11/mythbusters.weis/" target="_blank">they've grown sensitive</a> about their "trigger happy" reputation when it comes to firing coaches.  <br /> <br />Fair points, all of them. But now, it's as much a question of "should he go?" as "will he go?". A four-year grace period's too long, and it's time for Weis to limp off into the sunlight. Hey, his predecessor just lost another job. Maybe we'll see "Weis Cleans up After <strong>Willingham</strong>: Redux." <br /><br />That's our take. Post yours in the comments below.</p> 22862 http://img.fannation.com/upload/user_profile/image/845/68/thumb/rubin_mallory.jpg 0 NY

Mallory Rubin

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