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both of you are idiots. andres, dont trick people into thinking that that is your argument, you shouldve just said what your argument was. and as for you coach, i dontt even think you read his argmuent, you just thought it would be an easy win.

still would rather give the win to him than have someone try and trick someone to get a win out of it.

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I read his argument, I didn't use stats. He didn't state facts he stated opinion. I listed 14 quarterbacks generally accepted as all-time greats. I am leaving it up to him to give a good arguement as to why Krieg is better than any 5 of them. If he can't I have made my point without the use of stats!

Stats alone aren't enough. You need to put them in context. What a dumb throwdown Andres. If you wanted to say something blog it.

I don't see anything wrong with Coaches point, it is opinion and he states 14 in his opinion that are/were better then krieg, and i agree on those 14. Stupid on andres

This is my first try at the throwdown. I took the first one that popped up. I don't necessarily disagree that it wasn't a great argument to try and make but I didn't make it. I am just trying to get into the game. I do however think that we got your point rfcodding, after the first 3 times you stated that you thought the throwdown should be thrown out never mind 5.

"When arguing how great a player is, stats alone aren't nearly good enough to prove your point."

An equally stupid thing to do, dcalamri, is not read the whole opening argument.

I read it, but that is your arguemnet. The Throwdown is the title, Dave Krieg Is The 10th Best NFL QB Of All Time. Because you presented us with another throwdown statement in your arguement, it doesn't make the new Throwdown which we are voting for. It makes it a waste. If that were the case on my 3rd arguement when i was losing i could just change what it is.

Well, next time I won't try to put my Throwdowns in context so as to make sure not present anything in favor of my argument. In other words, maybe dumb it down a bit.

Andres, you crack me up, keep up the good work!

i have no idea who this guy is

Wasn't trying to get anyone's feathers in a ruffle Coach, but when people start hurling insults I can't help but get just a little snippy.

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keep it us andres. don't let the turkeys get you down. of course Dave Kried is the 10th best qb of alltime. stats don't lie, right? heh. heh.

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[MOH] Coach didn't even read the opening argument! Sure, andres shouldn't have tried to fool people with the fake title, but seriously; you're supposed to read the argument, not jump right in based on the title.

Why do you think he didn't read the arguement? If you read the topic of the Throwdown, which is about David Kreig, and then say in your arguemnet Stats aren't everything, one would assume you are saying that even though he is not the tops in stats, David Kreig is top 10. Coach counters with 14 others without mentioning stats that he thinks are better. Sounds like he read it to me, maybe he just was confused by the Two topics like everyone else was

Hey Chrono, If YOU read everything said, I admitted to having not quite understanding what Andres was trying to argue. He and I have exchanged private PMs and have put the issue behind us. I attempted to restate my arguments to fit however, I tend to agree that stats alone do not tell the whole story. The argument could have been stated more clearly as it seems to have confused most of us. Like I stated previously, this was my first attempt at participating and I was just trying to get my feet wet. I will attempt to read the challenges more clearly in the future.

Yep. I met with Coach in the office, thankfully I didn't have to turn in my playbook! If anything it's been entertaining. Thanks to Coach and congrats on his first victory!