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gonets said 02/05, 10:16 AM
The Rangers have always had a high powered offense. Their problem was pitching pitching pitching. In the offseason, they have acquired much eneded pitching talent. Eddie Guardado is a proven closer, who yes, gets injury plagued, but also was very solid in his closing roles with Minnesota and Seattle. Also, the acquistion of jason jennings should help the rotation. They have good young pitching to compliment their great hitting.
Porkins: I stole Menn's rake said 02/05, 10:31 AM
I'm not sure if this is serious, but...
The Rangers finished last year at 75-87. That's 12 games below .500. They finished NINETEEN games out of the AL West lead.
I agree that their offense is good- in 2007 they were ranked 7th in MLB in overall offense, and if Salty pans out that could go up. But notice one of the teams in front of them. The Angels were ranked 6th. They actually won the division.
I also agree that Texas' problem is pitching. Guardado will split closing duties with Wilson to start, and he's completing a comeback from injury and has a career ERA of 4.31. And beyond that, who do they have?
Jason Jennings?? Di you actually look at his numbers? Last year in 99 IP he had an ERA of 6.45 and a 2-9 record. His career ERA is 4.91, and he sports a lifetime record below .500. He's turning 30 this year, and while he was once a good prospect, he potential has never been realized.
Look at the rest of their rotation.
Millwood (2007): 10-14 with a 5.16 ERA
Padilla (2007): Didn't even play. Sports a career ERA over 4.
Brandon McCarthy (2007): 5-10 with a 4.87 ERA
Kason Gabbard (2007): Has potential to be a #2 or #3 guy, but is unproven.
gonets said 02/05, 10:43 AM
Wow, you are making this a tough point to argue. But here goes. I will agree Millwood is highly inconsistent (although he did lead the team in K's in 2007) and Padilla is a wash out, but Kazuo Fukumori and Mat harrison are good rookies that can fill in the gaps. As for McCarthy, he was 5-10, yes, but he is young, and all young pitchers struggle at first.
You say Gabbard is unproven. In 2007: he went 6-1 with an ERA over 4. True, his ERA is a bit high, but the way the game of baseball is played today, an ERA of 4 is no longer considered too high. He even pitched a complete game shutout, which is getting even rarer in this age of baseball.
You also left out Jouaquin Benoit, who is a proven starter, put up great numbers last year (7-4 2.85), and can be a possible 6th starter if needed. I do agree the starting pitching is a little off, which makes for an overworked pen, but the pen put up outstanding numbers (53-40 overall record). So the pen more often than not saves the game in alot of instances. Jason jennings had bad numbers yes, but he plays in the rarified air of coors Field. That will not be a problem anymore in Texas.
Porkins: I stole Menn's rake said 02/05, 11:05 AM
The fact that Millwood led the team in Ks shows how terrible their pitching was. He only had 123 Ks in 172+ IP.
Gabbard had a good showing last year, but it's too small a sample size to draw conclusions. As a Sox fan, I'm familiar with him and expect he'll be pretty good, but the Rangers need more help than that.
Fukumori is an unknown quantity, but in 2007 in Japan he had an ERA of 4.75. His K rate is good, but he's far from a sure bet, and his numbers aren't stellar coming into the majors.
Most people have Harrison pegged as a middle of the rotation type guy. He's a good prospect, but with zero experience in the big leagues, it's hard to count on him.
I think the Rangers have some potential bright spots. But be realistic- they finished 19 games out. Benoit and a couple of rookies are unlikely to contribute enough to help them make up that kind of ground.
It appears that the Mariners are moving forward with the Bedard trade which will strengthen them in the short term. The Angels have added Torii Hunter and have certainly not gotten worse.
The Rangers might improve their record from '07, but they won't get a sniff of the division title.
gonets said 02/05, 11:14 AM
Ok, this is my last argument, and I know IM going to get blown out, so with my last hurrah, here it goes...
The Yankees in 2007 had to stockpile rookies that were unproven because of their various injureis. They used Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy. these guys came up midseason with no warm ups. The Rangers pitchers have spring training to gel, mesh, whatever, and to prove themselves. That is what spring training is for.
The angels are the clear cut favorite, and the mariners are a strong contender for the wild card, but you have to think the Rangers are back in the mix with the talent they have.
Plus, you must consider injuries. yes, the rangers will have their share, but injuries can also plague the Angels and Mariners. I know these are alot of conditional statements, but the facts are there...with a healthy Angels team, no one contends in that division. But health is almost never a given.
The Rangers are finally starting to get talented pitchers, and spring training will be an awesome help. I also expect the Rangers to improve on their 07 record, but I also expect them to contend and win the division.
High hopes? Maybe....You decide.
Porkins: I stole Menn's rake said 02/05, 11:28 AM
I was worried this TD was going to be a joke, but you made some respectable arguments. Well done.
However, it's just not reasonable to think that a handful of rookies and a retread pitcher are going to transform this team from basement dweller to contender...yet.
I think trading Gagne was a good start, and they got a decent return that should pay off. But as long as they have guys like Millwood and Padilla leading their staff, they're not going anywhere.
The Angels have a number of good young players as well. Look at their rotation- Lackey, Escobar, Weaver...they're the favorite to win the West again, although Seattle is making a move. Oakland is in a rebuilding phase, and I expect the As and Rangers to compete for 3rd place.
Over the past 6 seasons, the AL West winners have averaged 95.5 wins per year. Over those same 6 seasons, the Rangers have averaged only 77.7 wins per year. Although there are glimmers of hope on the horizon, does anyone really see the 2008 Rangers as a 95 win team?
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Wow Porkins, at least this kid isn't rolling over for an easy win here. I'll save my vote for the end but the Rangers beating the M's let alone the Angels is gonna be a feat in and of itself...
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Blatant homerism
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Who's the angels homer? So far pretty objective as I see them...
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This guy is a blatant Rangers homer who cant see the forest for the trees
Rangers may go 81-81 at best, that isnt winning the West
Sorry
djroxalot: Happy…
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The Mariners will win this division. If our pitching holds up I think we win it by ten games. Plus we have the MOOSE. Everyday Eddie wasnt that great with the M's. His stuff hasnt been that good in awhile. The Rangers pitching will always struggle in that ball park.
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rangers arent winning anytime soon in a division against the mariners and angels...jennings is a huge bust, trust me i watched him struggle all last year...not to mention his solid appearance i went to where he gave up 12 earned runs in 2/3 of an inning
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Well, apparently there are multiple people out there who think the Rangers will win.
Where are all the extra wins going to come from?
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This guy is a blatant Rangers homer who cant see the forest for the trees
Rangers may go 81-81 at best, that isnt winning the West
Sorry
djroxalot: Made it over .500 | 02/05/08, 12:09 PM
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dj, IM a Yankees fan, so how am I a Rangers homer?
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