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So, he had one bad year last year, and everyone still says he's the best. Look at the other years, and PLEASE tell me he's overrated.

Santana is billed as the top pitcher in the MLB right now, and he was just a smudge over .500 last year. he is quite overrated, and if he doesn't win the Cy Young 4 out of the next 5 years, and bring a world Series to the Mets he won't live up to this hype either.

Johan had no run support last season with the Twins. He might not be spectacular this first year in the NL, but he's far from overrated.

He was only a smudge over 500 because he got no run support. His ERA was still nasty and so was K's. In New York with offense like Mets expect multiple twenty win seasons

15-13 with a 3.33 is far from "nasty"

Willis

I hope you joking about Santana "HAVING" to win 4 out of the next 5 Cy Youngs. Has that ever been done in baseball. I am quite positive that no pitcher has won 4 Cy Youngs in 5 seasons. So if I am right about this, you are saying Santana has to make history?

He had the seventh lowest ERA and had more K's than all guys in front of him. Record is affected by poor offense not his talent

The Braves Hudson matched Santana's 3.33, and Smoltz beat that with a 3.11.

He had the seventh lowest ERA and had more K's than all guys in front of him. Record is affected by poor offense not his talent

RedSoxrule39 | 02/17/08, 01:37 PM
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Santana had the 13th lowest ERA, get your facts straight.

To me it was between Zito and Willis but latey I've heard more people ssay Willis sucks than dominates. NY GIants, it has been done before

I meant the AL which is harder

Also RedSox,
Peavy had a 2.54 ERA and 240 K's
to
Santan's 3.33 ERA and 235 K's

So NO he didn't have more K's than everyone with a lower ERA than him.

STOP MAKING UP STATS!

Since when is the AL harder?

Tell that to Zito, Pedro, and Mulder (all studs in the AL and expected to dominate the NL, NOT SO MUCH)

Zito is a blip on the radar screen when compared to the dominance of Johan Santana. Santana will lead the New York Mets to the National League East title, and quite possibly further.

Not to put in 6,000 comments but interesting Santana fact,

Santana's 33 HR's allowed was the most by any pitcher with an ERA under 4.90

This shows that Santana relied on his D quite a bit.

Pedro did dominate the NL, and all the lowest ERA's came from NL last year. Three out of top 4 came from NL including Peavy who plays in worst hitting division, pitchers ballpark, and NL

Zito is a blip on the radar screen when compared to the dominance of Johan Santana. Santana will lead the New York Mets to the National League East title, and quite possibly further.

JagNoleDukeHeatSoxFish | 02/17/08, 01:43 PM
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Santana would have been the 3rd best Pitcher in Atlanta last season, so the Mets still don't have the best pitching.

now you say Zito and Santana aren't comparable?

Zito's final AL season
16-10 with a 3.83

Santana's final AL season
15-13 with a 3.33

They aren't that far apart.

I've heard that before BS but he still had 3.33 ERA last year along with 2.61 in 04, 2.87 in 05, and 3.77 in 06.

Make that a 2.77 ERA in 06