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- February 18, 2008 08:26 PM ET
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LCHobber24 said 02/18, 08:26 PM
First things first, Ryan Braun is a stud! The numbers that he put up in just over 100 games were phenominal (26 2b's, 34HR's, 97 RBI, and a .324 BA). Are you kidding me? He put up those kind of offensive numbers while commiting 26 errors at 3B. At his age, to keep his head in the game and not take his errors to the plate with him is something special.
In 2008, you will not see Ryan Braun at 3B. The Brewers have moved him to left field to make room for other offseason pick ups. Obviously his number of errors will go way down in the outfield and as long as he stays happy in Milwaukee, the Brewers might have two MVP candidates this season; Braun and Fielder.
Pedroia's stats looked as such; 39 2B's, 8 HR's, 50 RBI, and .317 BA. I will be the first to admit that he played very well in the playoffs and was a significant part of the Red Sox winning the World Series, but Boston is the big stage. Everyone expects Boston to repeat or atleast get back to the World Series. The pressure that comes with playing in Boston will get to Pedroia, especially when he gets into a major slump.
BSchwartz07 said 02/18, 08:47 PM
At this point whomever has the worse season is really all speculation, but lets try and make some since out of it all.
Braun had an amazing year, I mean
.324, 34 HR and 97 RBI
That isn't just good that???s flat out awesome for a rookie.
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Pedroia's
.317 8 HR and 50 RBI
Again, solid numbers. Great production for a 2B.
As I see it here are the reasons why Braun will struggle in his second year.
-Pressure? HA, Pedroia just played in (and won) the World Series. Add to that the pressure in Boston is put on Papi and Manny. Pedroia could go 8 games without a hit and few would notice (as long as those games aren't against NYY)
-For Braun, he is 1 of 2 big bats in that order. You see while guys are pitching AROUND Braun, they will pitch TO Pedroia
-Braun has to learn a new position, sure the OF may not be too hard to learn, but even Chipper moved back to 3B b/c his hitting struggled. He said it was hard to stay in the game out there.
-Braun is expected to help carry a team, while Pedroia is just a small piece. Add to that your guy already set his bar a little higher and I'm sure Braun will have a little more trouble reaching it.
LCHobber24 said 02/18, 09:14 PM
I am still a firm believer that there is more pressure on Pedroia than Braun. Braun plays baseball in Milwaukee, some people don't even know where that is. The Brewers even went out and got some good offseason acquisitions Cameron, Kendall, Perez, Mota, Gagne, etc. and everyone is still picking the Cubs to win the division. There is no pressure in Milwaukee, they are just going to sit back and show the world.
Pedroia has to be the guy to get on base for Manny and Ortiz. If no one is on base when they are up, you are wrong, people will notice.
The Brewers have a great young line up. Yeah only two bigtime power hitters, but just like last season, pitchers will have go through Braun to get to Fielder. That means Braun is going to get pitches to hit.
Braun did set the bar pretty high, but he only played in 113 games. That number is obviously going to go way up this year allowing for even more production.
BSchwartz07 said 02/18, 09:30 PM
"That number is obviously going to go way up this year allowing for even more production."
There it is, that is the pressure that is on Braun. Even by your standards needs more than 34 HR, more than 97 RBI, and to hit over .300. Pedroia needs to "be on base for Papi and Manny".
Now the guys that you mentioned as pick ups for the Brewers are all role players. Trust me pitchers may not intentionally walk Braun , they will not see the pitches that a Kendall will see.
On to the Pressure. People love to watch power hitters. When you are at a game and one of the better power hitters are up everyone takes notice. When Braun does well, they will notice and when he doesn't the will be watching.
As for Pedroia, well you see he is one of those role players. Ask a Red Sox fan how many HR Papi hit last year, then ask them how many people were on when he hit them (not RBI, how many runners were on when he hit HR's).
You see Braun is expected to be a leader on this team, he and Fielder are supposed to take this team to the next level. All the while he has to learn a new position.
Pedroia just has to do what he has done in the past. Nothing new.
BSchwartz07 said 02/20, 02:30 PM
Well, you seem to be new to the site so I will excuse your missed argument to maybe not knowing the rules to a TD.
And since I really don't have any new argument to talk about I'll make this quick.
Someone that is expected to be a power hitter and a star on a team will not only have a harder time reaching those goals, but will be a target from other teams. Meaning that he will not see the best pitches. Braun also isn't the best fielder so he has been moved to a new position. This will be yet another thing he has to worry about.
In Pedroia's case they HAVE to pitch to him. If a Pitcher messes around and walks him he will have to face Ortiz and Manny with another runner on. This isn't exactly ideal.
Bottom line,
.300 10 HR 70 RBI
That line for my guy is considered a breakout season, for your guy that is a failure. So who will have the harder time matching what they did a year ago? Seems easy to see from here.
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The Tigers were nervous... The Losers called the Cardinals were in their 3rd World Series in a row... It shows what it can do to a person, and that is why I am leaning towards BSchwartz with his first argument. I will hold off, but Round 1 goes to BS.
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The expectations (hitting wise), are a lot higher for Braun....he's more likely to slump.
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that sucks it came out as one long blob, oh well.
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How were you trying to make it look?
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spaced out. I don't like one huge blob. No one reads it when it is a blob. I like to seporate my points.
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vote to the right,much better arguements
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Oh, yeah, blobs are eye-sores...
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here, nice and spaced out
"That number is obviously going to go way up this year allowing for even more production."
There it is, that is the pressure that is on Braun. Even by your standards needs more than 34 HR, more than 97 RBI, and to hit over .300. Pedroia needs to "be on base for Papi and Manny".
Now the guys that you mentioned as pick ups for the Brewers are all role players. Trust me pitchers may not intentionally walk Braun , they will not see the pitches that a Kendall will see.
On to the Pressure. People love to watch power hitters. When you are at a game and one of the better power hitters are up everyone takes notice. When Braun does well, they will notice and when he doesn't the will be watching.
As for Pedroia, well you see he is one of those role players. Ask a Red Sox fan how many HR Papi hit last year, then ask them how many people were on when he hit them (not RBI, how many runners were on when he hit HR's).
You see Braun is expected to be a leader on this team, he and Fielder are supposed to take this team to the next level. All the while he has to learn a new position.
Pedroia just has to do what he has done in the past. Nothing new.
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You still fail for no reason...
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Brewer fan here. I don't think Braun will struggle this year, but there's no way you can't say there's no pressure for Brewers players. The teams great start in 2007, got a lot of casual fans fired up for Brewer baseball. After the slump that ended the season a lot of player's were calling for Yost's head. If you don't think pressure get's to Brewer players look at Derrick Turnbow. The former closer has admitted that Brewer fan's booing gets to him. Turnbow is usually great, but when he has a bad game he gets into a slump because the fans turn on him.
I agree with the left side, but the right has the better argument.
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I like Yost, hope he keeps his job.
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Pedroia will fizzle out this year.
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Regression to the mean dictates that the more extreme performance is the one most likely to diminish. Therefore, I'd have to say that Braun is more likely to be closer to average than Pedroia. Plus, Braun is more of a power guy, and the type of player more prone to injury, streaks, and strikeouts. He's one of 2 or 3 stars on that team whereas Pedroia is a supporting cast member.
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The possibility of either having a sophmore slump has very little to do with pressure or any other of the reasons mentioned and almost everything to do with what type of hitter each is and what is expected of them. As a baseball coach and having spent years as a hitting coach I can tell you that power hitters are 4 times more suseptible to such thigs as are hitters lie Pedroia. Braun is expected to hit home runs and drive in runs. Pedroia is expected to get on base. Pedroia can walk, beat out infield ground balls or punch a dying quail over the second baseman's head and all of that is considered success while the Brewers do not ant their big stud hitting like a diminutive second baseman. Pitcher's tend to figure out power hitter's and where their power zones are and try to stay away from them. This in turn frustrates the young power hitter and he begins to expand his own strike zone. Once this happens he has played into the pitchers hands. He begins to get behind in counts and thus never sees "his pitch" or he begins to pop up pitches in on his hands or ground out on pitches down ans away. Anyone know how Mickey Mantle used to deal with this issue? He would drag bunt (a lost art) and use his speed to get on base forcing pitchers to be honest. Of course HE had Maris and a host of other murderous hitters behind him that Braun does not. Pedroia on the other hand, has only to keep making contact, dropping balls intp the cavernous right field of Fenway and occacionally bouncing 320 foot fly balls off the monster and its all good for him!
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MOH Coach, I did mention that. the only reason I brought up the "Pressure" issue is that it was brought up.
Like I have said that as long as Pedroia can get on he is golden. if Braun hits .300 with 15 HR on the year, he isn't getting it done.
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About Braun, you wrote: 'The Brewers have moved him to left field to make room for other offseason pick ups. '
This sentence could not be MORE false...they moved him cause he was HORRIBLE at D...and the guy replacing him at 3B was not an offseason pick up...it's Bill Hall...
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About Braun, you wrote: 'The Brewers have moved him to left field to make room for other offseason pick ups. '
This sentence could not be MORE false...they moved him cause he was HORRIBLE at D...and the guy replacing him at 3B was not an offseason pick up...it's Bill Hall...
Jim L. | 02/19/08, 11:01 PM
Whoops.
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Schwartz, check out my comments in the "Most Overrated Pitcher" TD.
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LCHobber24 said 02/18, 09:14 PM
I am still a firm believer that there is more pressure on Pedroia than Braun. Braun plays baseball in Milwaukee, some people don't even know where that is.
What does people knowing/not knowing where Milwaukee is having anything to do with this argument. I mean, your argument would have some relevance if Milwaukee was a new team, but anyone who watches baseball knows the Brewers have been around awhile and play in Milwaukee.
Here's hoping another Cleveland series gets snowed out and moved to Milwaukee!!! $5 tickets were awesome!
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That said, Braun is going to have a tougher time matching last year's accomplishments, but at least he'll have a full season to do so.
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