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The Ram said 02/19, 10:26 PM
Philadelphia? They've made some mistakes. But I think I'll consult the Emperor of draft screw ups for my list.

I summon the incompetent Matt Millen!

Spill forth the murdered dreams of Detroit Lion Fans!

(position, name, overall draft number)

QB Andre Ware, 7. 5 career TD. Seriously, 5!
RB Lawrence Gaines, 16. 3 seasons, 829 rush yds.
RB Garry James, 29 3 seasons, 1510 yards.

My unbeatable receiving corps (divide Todd Pinkston's career numbers by 2 and you have these 2 combined):

WR Charles Rogers, 2
WR Mike Williams, 10

TE David Lewis, 20. 731 rec yds.
OL Ken Long, 44. 0 career starts.
OL Aaron Gibson, 27. Cut in 2nd season for belly flopping on piles after the whistle...repeatedly (he's 440 lbs).
OL Juan Roque, 35. 2 seasons, 3 career starts.
OL Lyn Boden, 13

Defense
DL Reggie Rogers, 7. 2 starts, 2 sacks.
DL Ernie Price, 17
DL Billy Howard, 39
DL Bob Bell, 21
LB Reggie Brown, 17. 2 seasons, then hurt.
LB Teddy Lehman, 37. Millen's pet.
LB James Johnson, 62. 2 seasons, 0 career starts.
DB Luther Bradley, 11
DB Bryant Westbrook, 5
DB Kevin Abrams, 54,
DB Terry Fair, 20.

The Ram said 02/20, 11:23 AM
QB: Reaves was picked later (14), lasted longer, and tripled Ware's production.

RB: Moats was only a third rounder and Haddix was moved to FB where he had an 8-year career as a masher. Both my guys were first rounders and done by year 4.

WR: Williams is actually in Tennessee and weighs 280lbs. Pinkston has a better chance of playing again.

TE: Zabel didn't produce as a TE because he was a LB/TE. He had 1 season at TE, he then played LB for 9 very productive seasons. Lewis was done by year 4.

OL: Your guys Davis and Holmes were not that bad. They combined to start 181 games!!! My 4 guys started 86 combined!

DL: Mamula wasn't as bad as you remember, he averaged over 6 sacks a season. And again, he gave the Eagles as many games as my 4 combined.

LB: Looks like a wash to me.

DB: I think I destroy you here. Gaddis was a fifth round pick, Barksdale a sixth. Second day picks get cut before the start of the season ALL THE TIME. There were no expectations for them.

Expectations matter! Westbrook was a top 5 pick and he blew! Bradley was 11th, and was done after 4 seasons, Fair-same story. All of them were drafted sooner than your biggest bust at DB.

The Ram said 02/20, 12:46 PM
"My OL's started more games, but none for more than 1 season. "

I have no clue what you mean. Holmes was the Phi starting RG for 3 seasons, Davis started 74 games in 5 straight seasons for Phi. They played and produced. They weren't Aaron Gibson sized busts (54 D's I believe).

Haddix wasn't bad, he just played FB. They don't get a lot of carries, they block.

Unlike Reaves, Ware couldn't even last as a backup he was so jaw-droppingly awful.

Take Mamula, subtract 29.5 sacks, and 5 years worth of starts and you have Reggie Rogers. Both were picked 7th overall. How can Rogers not be a bigger bust?

I think I sweep the skill positions. QB, RB, WR (easily), and TE (Zabel played LB in college he was drafted for that as much as TE). The Eagles had some productive lineman on both sides of the ball, the Lions got complete junk. None of them played anywhere for any significant period of time.

Busts are highly touted players who miserably fail to meet expectations. DB's drafted in round 5 and 6 are not expected to be much more than special teams fodder for a few years. If they fail it warrants a shrug. Fair, Westbrook, and Bradley were monstrously more damaging.