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N.L. Central Predictions


1. Chicago Cubs
2. Milwaukee Brewers
3. Cincinatti Reds
4. St. Louis Cardinals
5. Houston Astros
6. Pittsburgh Pirates
The Cubs should take the Central. Derrek Lee and Aramis Ramirez can anchor a strong infield. Newcomer Kosuke Fukudome has R.O.Y. potential, and Alfonso Soriano may have a 40-40 season. The Brewers are not too good of a team, but in the horrible National League Central, they should get 2nd. Prince Fielder, J.J. Hardy, Rickie Weeks, and Ryan Braun make a good offense. The pitching rotation is decent, with Ben Sheets. The Reds will be better than the Cards this year. They have a great leadoff hitter with 40-40 man Brandon Phillips. Adam Dunn and Ken Griffey Jr. are great offensive and defensive outfielders. The pitching is improving, with very underrated Aaron Harang, Homer Bailey, and Bronson Arroyo. The Cardinals have Albert Pujols, but no one to support him. The pitching rotation last year was the worst(ERA wise)in Cardinal history, and did nothing to get better. The Astros are rebuilding,but traded away a bunch of prospects for aging Miguel Tejada. The Pirates did nothing to improve from last year, and will remain at the bottom of the Central.


1. Milwaukee Brewers-They did fairly good last year and lost the division to a late season slump. But now, young stars Prince Fielder, Rickie Weeks, and Ryan Braun are maturing and that slump will probably not happen again. They also have a solid pitching staff, better than the Chicago Cubs.

2. Chicago Cubs-They also did pretty good last year but their main offensive weapons aren't getting younger and all of them had their strugggles last year, they failed to reach expectations. I don't think that Fukudome will have much effect as he will get adjusted to the league. Zambrono has been too inconsistent for me to put the Cubbies at first.

3. St. Louis Cardinals-They aren't the most talented team in the league and they have lost some key players that helped them win the World Series two years ago. But as long as they have Albert Pujols, they'll hang in there.

4. Cincinatti Cubs-You are going "what if" with Brandon Phillips here. Was that year a fluke? Griffey isn't getting any younger.

5. Pittsburgh Pirates-they have good young talent, enough to surprise people and go to 5th.

6. Houston Astros-they have little depth, a bad farm system, and a somewhat bad offense.


The Cubs' have a much better pitching staff than the Brewers. Zambrano definitely beats out the Brewers' #1, Sheets. Ted Lilly(15-8, 3.83 ERA) is better than Jeff Suppan(12-12, 4.62 ERA). The Cubs have about equal talent with the Brewers on offense, but the Cubs have a bit more depth.

30-30 man (my bad on the first argument) Brandon Phillips will easily match last year's stats. Even if he doesn't get the home run power, he still will have the speed. He's a lot like Jimmy Rollins. Adam Dunn provides consistent HR power, and Griffey showed he can still hit home runs last year. The Reds have a great young pitching staff that is improving.

What good does it do if Albert Pujols is going to be consistently walked, and theres no one to support him? Rick Ankiel is streaky and inconsistent, as is Troy Glaus. The pitching staff did nothing to improve, and newcomer Matt Clement may not even pitch until May or June. Adam Wainwright is the ace, but it quickly goes downhill from there. They don't have a leadoff man or clean up man.

The Pirates and Astros will be battling at the bottom of a bad division, but the Astros still have better pitching.


Both Carlos Zambrano and Ben Sheets stunk up pretty badly last year, and you said that Zambrano definitly beats out Sheets. Wrong. Ben Sheets had a 3.82 ERA which is better than a 3.95 ERA. Yovani Gallardo will be the team's #2 starter and he has better stats than Lilly (9-5, 3.67 ERA). Milwaukee has better pitching and better hitting. They have almost 80 more homeruns than the Cubs.

Phillips may have a hard time matching his old stats. he has, after all, only hit 23 homeruns in his first five years in the league and has only stolen 31 bases in the same amount of time. Adam Dunn strikes out too much, hits like .250, and Ken Griffey is injury prone and now that he is older, the chances of injuries go up.

Rick Ankeil did great last year and he should do great again. Albert Pujols is the best MLB player in the league as of right now. Chris Carpenter and Adam Wainwright are still pretty good. They have talent, a lot of it.

The Pirates are young but they are developing and are starting to come together. Ian Snell is eyeing the "pretty good pitcher" status and Freddy Sanchez, Andy LaRoche, and Jason Bay can all pound the ball. The Pirates are coming out of the cellar.


Ben Sheets was injured for part of the season though, but if Sheets had played more, his ERA would have likely also gone up. Gallardo got off to a really hot start, but dropped off later and was just average. The hitting is about equal, but the Cubs also have much better defense. Ryan Braun is a liability at 3rd or left field, although he is good offensively.

Of Phillips' 23 HRs in his first five year, 17 came in 2006, and 25 of his SBs came in 2006. That means he is still improving and should keep up the previous year's stats. Dunn strikes out a lot, but so does Rick Ankiel. Griffey is only a year older, and isn't much different from last year. The Reds annually have one of the best offenses because they play in a great hitter's park. The pitching staff is decent and would be even better had they played in, for example, Busch Stadium.

Rick Ankiel got off to a great start, but when the HGH story came out, his stats just plummetted. He went hitless for 13 or 14 straight games. And like Dunn, he strikes out A LOT! Chris Carpenter won't be back until July, at earliest, and might not go back to his original dominance.


Sheets' ERA may ave gone up but he hasn't had an ERA f over 4 since 2002 so the answer would be not likely.

I think that Gallardo may have done his best stuff in the later half of the season. He had a fantastic ERA and he hardly ever let up a run.

Ryan Braun is an average left fielder but the Cub's defense isn't much better. Derek Lee is a Gold Glove, but other than that, its not that good.

Dunn strikes out waaaay more than Ankeil and striking out is the worst possible thing you can do. We don't even have to go into this stuff though because Albert Pujols can carry the Cards.

1 and 2 are a toss up. Believe 3 - 6 will be reds, cards, stros and pirates. So vote to redskin.

BTW dawgee, I assume your #4 should be the reds?

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I'm leading towards RedskinHater but I'll wait for the arguments.

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I will change my vote if the arguments warrant it.

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Ha! Cincinatti Cubs. Oh well, we all do it.

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the Brewers' rotation is just awful. Ben Sheets is lights out but he gets hurt far too often. Gallardo is a stud...but this will be his first full season and that's obviously always a toss up. Capuano, Bush, and Vargas are nothing special either. they lost their closer, they don't really have a strong bullpen and their lineup isn't quite good enough to slug their way to the top. the Brewers and D-Backs will have the biggest drop offs in wins from last year to this year.

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The Cards are really overrated. They finish at best 4th.

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well, tehy finished (barely) in third last year and they just dumped an aging player for a better offensive player, which was their biggest problem. losing Edmonds will hurt but Chris Duncan can make up for that a little bit. i wouldn't expect much more out of him than what they got last year--maybe a slight bump up in OBP/SLG--but he will be a better contributer. i think Glaus will have a decent year at the plate--25+ homers--which will make up for Rolen's tanking offense. Pujols will be Pujols and Yadier Molina improved offensively last year as well (granted, it's not that hard when your numbers are that bad). Ankiel won't be a big factor, though. August was nice for him but Sept/Oct absolutely sucked.

Carpenter returning will help their rotation which is...alright at best. however, with Carpenter back, it's better than what the Brewers are trotting out there. i don't think the Cards are gonna make any big splash or make a playoff run, but they'll finishin second place in that god awful division.

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This is a good one... I'll have to hold my vote until the end... a great case can be made for both the Brewers and the Cubbies.

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I know where my fandom leads me (Brewers in first), but I will let you two argue this out... because my VOTE is based on who convinces me of their side better...

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I'd say CUBbies, will be on top!

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i think it will sadly be the cubs on top but it doesnt matter because both teams would lose 1st round of the playoffs

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Adam Dunn is a great defensive outfielder, and Griffey isn't exactly what he used to be, on the other hand Carpenter is out for half of teh season. Ankiel slumped hard after the HGH story came out but recovered towards teh very end of teh season. Still for putting the pirates in last I have to vote for red, but not very good guys.
I hope this year goes well for my Cards, the last time they had a nobody pitching staff and were supposed to be in third behind the cubs and another good team the year after falling into third behind thh two teams, they won 100 games. I know I'm being really hopeful but you never know

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Brewers will take the NL Central if Sheets can stay healthy and the closers can close...

That said, those are very big "IF"s

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to thejeststolehome: no way on God's green earth does the St. Louis Cardinals finish in second place. Have you seen their team? They have liabilities all over the place, Tony LaRussa is in for his money this year.

"the Brewers are not that good of a team": I'm not quite sure on this one...did you watch a game last year? The Crew has one of the best offenses in the league last year. Understandably, a week defensive team, but they rearranged their team and brought some veteran help for defensive and depth purposes. Vote goes this way ------>

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I'll just put down what I said in another throwdown:

The Cubs have a much better shot of winning the Central. Your first baseman? All power, and horrendous defense. Your RoY third baseman was converted to the outfield because his defense was also horrible. Your pitching staff has to show that it can not only remain healthy, but not lose 15 consecutive starts. You also have Jason Kendall as a catcher. He sucks in every conceivable manner. Then you lost your stud closer, and replaced him with Eric Gag-me.

Vote goes to the left.

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Oh and guys, the Cards have Rasmus in waiting, if he crack opening day and the outfield consists of Ankiel, Rasmus, and Duncan, with Ludwick backing up, look out. Teh Cardinals have two set in stone strengths and no not pujols, he is only one hitter in the lineup so taht leaves teh lineup an if, they have a great bullpen and an uberclutch benchplayer on the infield (Spezio) and the Outfield (Ludwick) you plug those x factors in to either the lineup or rotation performing over expectations in a weak division you never know what can happen. Still there are a lot of ifs

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sorry about the typos

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Boston Yankees will win the Series!! Group hugs!

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lol

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I dont agree. I think the Brewers will win the Central. If sheets stays healthy he proved early in the season he can have a low 3 ERA, and win a lot of games. And if you take out Zambrano's June of the past season, he had a 4+ ERA....ehhh not so good!

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