The Toronto Blue Jays Will Win 90 Games
GO*Jord on a 18-2-6 run*CANUKS said 02/23, 11:50 AM
I believe they will win at least 90 games this year, and win the wildcard in the AL.
ill argue after ur first argument
Cain-Willis. In & Out... said 02/23, 12:01 PM
I disagree, the Jays WON'T win 90 games, and 90 win WON'T be enough for the AL wildcard.
1) Last year No Jay hit 30hr, or had 100 rbi, or hit .300. The dude with the highest slg% was Matt Stairs? Only two jays had more than a 150 hits. .377 was the highest OBP for any hitter(Thomas) You think that team can outhit the Yankees AND Red Sox? No Way!
2) The starting rotation was extremely prone to injury. Only one pitcher made more than 27 starts. The Jays have a nice bullpen but their rotation is worse than the Yanks, Sox, AND probably even the D-rays!
Bottom line, the Jays MIGHT win 80 games, but in the AL East, they will not win 90! They just aren't good enough.
GO*Jord on a 18-2-6 run*CANUKS said 02/23, 12:17 PM
1) Sure no Jay hit over 30 HR's, but 6 hit over 15, and they have a very balanced offense. There lineup this year is very explosive from top to bottom, especially with the acquistions of Eckstein and Rolen. Vernon Wells and Reed Johnson were both playing hurt last year, and they should both rebound with a great year this year. Especially Wells, who had offeseason shoulder surgery and should come back as good as ever.
2) There defense is one of the best in the AL, with a average fielding percentage of .983 from there projected 8 starters this season. They have a proven gold-glover in Vernon Wells and they should finish as one of the best defenses in the AL again this year.
3) Pitching - how can u say our rotation is worse then the Yankees or the Devil Rays! We have a Cy Yound winner in Roy Halladay and another proven flamethrower in A.J. Burnett. In the 3 and 4 spot there are the young guns with McGowen and Marcum.. and Chacin and Litsch should fight for the 5th and the final spot. Now, if they can stay helathy and McGowen and Marcum pitch like they did last year. They'll be fine. They aslo sport one of the best bullpens in the AL with Ryan healthy, and accardo and downs.
Cain-Willis. In & Out... said 02/23, 12:37 PM
The Blue Jays are in a very tough division. The Red Sox are powerful. They will win 95 + games easily. The Yankees are strong. Hughs, Joba, A-rod, Cano, Mariano, Wang, Jeter..... They will win at least 93 games again.
Jays have questions everywhere,
The Jays closer played 5 games last year. How will he be?
Their highest paid hitter hit .245 with a .304 OBP and had surgery. Will it actually make him a better hitter?
Thomas and Stairs are aging.
Marcum and Towers were part time starters last year.
AJ Burnett has never been healthy enough to play a full season in Toronto. Will a man so prone to injury be able to pitch a entire season?
Alex Rios was on the table in a trade this offseason, how will he react? Is something wrong with him they haven't told anyone?
The only real aquisition is Eckstein. He was let go by the 78-84 Cardinals. Eckstein is going to put a team over the Red Sox and Yankees? Nope. In the Al East, the Jays are not goint to be able to get 90 win competeing with the Yanks and Sox.
GO*Jord on a 18-2-6 run*CANUKS said 02/23, 01:18 PM
There closer, BJ Ryan, got injured as work hard in rebab and claims to be in top form this year
Vernon Wells played injured all year, and had his worst year as a pro. He should bounce back this year, as the surgury was meant to hell his shoulder, so yah, that will make him better then last year.
The fact that Thomas and Stairs are aging isn't really that relevent. Stairs hit 21 homers and hit .289 in limited time. Very good for a non-starter. Also, Thomas' age isnt as much of a factor as he is the DH.
Towers is not even a Blue Jays. And Marcum became a starter in the second half of the year, and finished the season with a 12-6 record and a 4.13 ERA. Also, McGowen finished with a 12-10 record and a 4.08 ERA, but had a second half ERA of 3.67.
True, Burnett has had trouble staying healthy, but if he can, he is among the best in the MLB. In the seasons he's been able to saty healthy, he has a record of 35-33, 13 CG, 8 SO and an ERA of 3.58.
RIOS IS FINE!
* the yankees are far from fine.. especially in the rotation and the bullpen.
* The Jays were 9-9 vs. the Red Sox last year, and 7-9 vs. the Yanks. They didnt dominate, but they held there own
Cain-Willis. In & Out... said 02/23, 01:28 PM
Still, the team hasn't added any major talent. They are relying on all the current players NOT getting hurt and NOT having their stats decline with their age.
Red Sox have Lester and Ellsbury.
Yanks have Hughs and Joba.
Toronto has, uh, not really much of anyone. They also have a much more limited payroll. They are not expected to be able to go out and get anyone. They tried to get Tim Lincecum with Rios because they knew they desperately needed more pitching. But the Giants wisely said no thanks.
The Jays are a nice team, but not a 90 win team. Not in the AL East.
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Comments (22)
Blue Jays have a shot to get better if Rolen delivers big. But that's a large "if"
Coletrain | 02/23/08, 12:07 PM
Report Offensive CommentRolen replaces Glaus who had 20 hr's in 115 games. He might match that, but he won't better it. And The Jays will need to be a whole lot better to win 90.
Cain-Willis. In & Out... | 02/23/08, 12:09 PM
Report Offensive Commentas much as i believe the Jays WONT win 90, the argument that the right made was absolutely terrible. to say the Jays dont have a good rotation is nonsense, if you watched ANY baseball whatsoever youd know that Roy Halladay, a healthy AJ Burnett, Dustin McGowan and Chacin pretty much dominated the Yanks and Sox last year. Stick to a sport you know man
NYY lifer SF49 | 02/23/08, 12:11 PM
Report Offensive Commenthes right about their rotation... your projecting that burnett will be healthy(even though he hasnt been healthy since he got to TOR) and your counting on Chacin who had one good year.... Halladay is a star but even he had arm problems last year, their in one of the toughest divisions in the game and the jays could be in for another long year
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BdeaZY:Dr. James Andrews | 02/23/08, 12:14 PM
Report Offensive CommentThe Jays dominated the Yanks and Sox last year? Wow, i must have been watching soccer.
Cain-Willis. In & Out... | 02/23/08, 12:18 PM
Report Offensive CommentI think the Blue Jays could win more than 90 games this year, if you include spring training games.
<<There lineup this year is very explosive from top to bottom, especially with the acquistions of Eckstein and Rolen.>>
You should lose for putting the words Eckstein, Rolen, explosive and lineup in the same sentence. Eckstein has always been average and last year Rolen was below average.
SlinkyRedfoot | 02/23/08, 12:26 PM
Report Offensive CommentBurnett has never in his career won more than 13 games. He has only made 30+ starts once since 2002. You can't count on him.
McGowan had a 5.25 era against the Yanks in 07.
Marcum was 0-2 with a 5.59 era against the Yanks last year.
These are your "young guns"?
Cain-Willis. In & Out... | 02/23/08, 12:44 PM
Report Offensive CommentYour Halliday "cy young ace" was 1-3 last year against Boston with a 5.94 era!!!!!!! An 8.71 Era against the D-rays.
Cain-Willis. In & Out... | 02/23/08, 12:50 PM
Report Offensive CommentBdeaZY,
Chacin isn't a given to be in the starting rotation.
Halladay, Burnett, McGowan & Marcum are the 1-4.....
The 5th spot is Litsch's to lose......some of the other names in the mix are Chacin, Janssen (if you believe the Jays' GM when he talks about them converning him to a starter) and some prospect types like David Purcey
Funny how the Jays' staff gets knocked with comparison to the Yanks...and the Rays?
Look at the stats last year:
3rd in ERA
4th in AVG
2nd in SLG
3rd in OPS
3rd in WHIP
Not bad for a team relying on young guys and injury prone types huh? :)
ArmchairAthlete Is Wall-E | 02/23/08, 12:52 PM
Report Offensive CommentSorry...let me add this...all those stats I posted.....are for all of the MLB...not just the AL.
ArmchairAthlete Is Wall-E | 02/23/08, 12:53 PM
Report Offensive Commentif you watched ANY baseball whatsoever youd know that Roy Halladay, a healthy AJ Burnett, Dustin McGowan and Chacin pretty much dominated the Yanks and Sox last year. Stick to a sport you know man
CP3MVP | 02/23/08, 12:11 PM
Halladay, Burnett, McGowan and Chacin combined 2007 vs. Yanks/Sox: 8-6 4.20ERA.
Anyone who considers that domination doesn't know much about baseball.
8-6 4.20ERA.
SlinkyRedfoot | 02/23/08, 12:53 PM
Report Offensive CommentThe Yankees, and Sox should win at least 90, or the Tigers and Indians, are a possibility, either way, they will not win the AL Wild-Card...
DetroitFan* BS: 16-6! | 02/23/08, 12:56 PM
Report Offensive CommentAnd P.S.
Those stats would have been even better if:
- The Jays didn't have to use Josh Towers for 107 innings and Toma Ohka for 56 innings due to injurues....let us note that both of those bums are no longer with the Jays
- B.J. Ryan was around for more than err....4 innings....our very dominant bullpen would have been more so.
ArmchairAthlete Is Wall-E | 02/23/08, 12:58 PM
Report Offensive CommentMind you....90 wins will be tough unless the offense rebounds.
ArmchairAthlete Is Wall-E | 02/23/08, 01:01 PM
Report Offensive CommentJoe Kennedy was a starter for them last year and now he's dead. Serious. It's a lot of pressure being a Toronto Blue Jay.
Cain-Willis. In & Out... | 02/23/08, 01:03 PM
Report Offensive CommentEditors' Note:
Joe Kennedy pitched for the Jays last year.....but did not actually start a game for them.
http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/stats/individual_stats_player.jsp?c_id=tor&playerID=406773
ArmchairAthlete Is Wall-E | 02/23/08, 01:14 PM
Report Offensive Commentthis is rediculous, the jays arnt winnin 90 and they certainly arnt goin to the playoffs. BTW bernett is probably goin to opt out of his contract if he has a decent year in 08 so your team is a mess.
TheFranchise23 | 02/23/08, 01:18 PM
Report Offensive CommentOops, I knew he played for the A's too, but his stats put him 4 wins 9 losses and i didn't dig deeper to see that MLB.com combined all his stats and put them under the BLue-Jays heading....
Cain-Willis. In & Out... | 02/23/08, 01:19 PM
Report Offensive Commentthis is rediculous, the jays arnt winnin 90 and they certainly arnt goin to the playoffs. BTW bernett is probably goin to opt out of his contract if he has a decent year in 08 so your team is a mess.
TheFranchise23 | 02/23/08, 01:18 PM
Q: You know what else isn't going to the playoffs?
A: Your usage of the English language.
ArmchairAthlete Is Wall-E | 02/23/08, 01:21 PM
Report Offensive CommentWillis,
Just busting your Candlestick Park!
ArmchairAthlete Is Wall-E | 02/23/08, 01:21 PM
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