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Darren McFadden vs. Reggie Bush.... Who'll be the better player in the long run??

TTURaider1284 said 02/27, 10:00 PM
I like DM because he's a more physical back straight up.

He runs through tackles like a beast, he protects the ball better when running then Bush does, he CATCHES the ball more consistently than Bush, he can throw the ball which Bush can't do, he's a straight up more dynamic back that can do more for his team where he's drafted other than be what I like to call Bush as a wingback/ATH.

Bush is more of a WR than he is a RB. He can run fairly well but he's not an everydown back like McFadden will be. Darren is so dynamic in every aspect of football that it's almost gross. He's also more physically ready to play in the NFL than Bush was because he had to go up against tough defenses in the SEC year in and year out.

I'll go on about this but I want to hear what my opponent that accepts this TD has to say first.

Stauff Nation TB said 02/27, 10:32 PM
Only one problem with your statement there, bucko: McFadden hasn't even played a game in the NFL yet!!!

How can you say he'll be better than Bush (a Heisman winner and two time National champ, just in case you forgot) even though he hasn't even run a practice snap in the pros yet? Your speculating that McFadden will be much better than Bush, who is having sort of a lackluster career so far.

But if you'd like to exchange college #'s that'd be fine also. Bush has better numbers than McFadden had, and if his college career is any sign of his NFL career, for all we know he might be a flop.

I'm not really sure how you can back up your point, though, other than your opinion on the guy's running style compared to Bush's.

TTURaider1284 said 02/28, 10:42 AM
My point exactly. Bush is having a pretty disappointing career so far. You have a great point about the fact that he hasn't played a down in the NFL but my comment was regarding in the long run. Meaning during the course of their entire careers!!!!

This TD has nothing to do with the fact that DM hasn't played a down in the NFL. I'm saying that in the long run McFadden will be a better player because of the reasons I stated above. You can't come out and say that just because Bush has already been playing he has the upper hand boss. You need to look at it from all angles. Bush is not your prototypical back he catches more than most if not all RB's in the NFL. People who vote for you are basing the fact that Bush also had one of the best O lines in the history of college football, had great WR's around him each year with Mike Williams, Dwayne Jarrett, etc. etc., oh yeah he also had a guy named Matt Leinart playing the role of leader. So to say that he had a better career by numbers is true yes and by awards yes. What have the last 10 heisman winners done in their careers?? The 5 before that?? Other than Carson and Woodson, they've all been busts. Leinart and Bush are 2 b determined

Stauff Nation TB said 02/28, 04:18 PM
Yes and how can you tell how Darren McFadden will do in the long run before his first snap? That's like saying your star point guard on your high school basketball team is going to dominate college basketball before he selects a college. What do you basis your theory on? Because he was a dynamic player in college? Lemme tell you something, defenses change greatly in the NFL, and a dynamic running back who dominates Troy isn't neccesarily going to dominate the Jets.

You can only base your thesis on his college career, and yes, Bush had stellar numbers because USC had a great all around cast on offense, but obviously McFadden also had a good all around cast if they were good enough to upset then #1 LSU and reach the Cotton Bowl. Remember, no running back can put up good numbers unless he has a good line in front of him.

A lotta Heisman's have been busts, but how many Top 5 picks have you seen bust recently?

Plus, McFadden is going to land with a pretty crappy team, since he's expected to go Top 5 at least, at most Top 10, so he won't have a super O-Line in front of him most likely, either.

Its tough to speculate how a college athlete will fair in th NFL. Stop trying to.

TTURaider1284 said 02/28, 10:08 PM
How can you tell me that I can only base it on his college career??? THE MAN IS 6'4" 230 AND RUNS A SUB 4.4!! He runs through the middle with freakish speed and strength, (something Bush RARELY DOES) and my boy McFadden runs extremely similar to someone who just won the rookie of the year award and dominated the pro bowl, oh yeah that would be Adrian Peterson. Only difference btw Bush and Peterson is that McFadden is more dynamic than both. He won't go to a bad team because the Cowboys are going to trade up to get him, come april watch.

McFadden was Arkansas team. They had no QB and without McFadden Arkansas would've been lucky to get above .500. They had a sub par defense and Felix Jones wouldn't of done half the job that DM did for that team.

It's not tough to speculate how he'll do in the NFL you dumb**** because he is very similar to many former and current RB's that are great only he's more dynamic than they are. Bush can't do the things McFadden does. He can't pass (with accuracy) he can't run through tackles like McFadden does and he doesn't have the strength throughout to punish LB's like Darren can. Bush is a mixed package back, BUT NOT A PURE TALENT RB like Darren

Stauff Nation TB said 02/29, 12:03 AM
First things first: The guy who's 1-7 is calling me a dumbass.

Secondly if you have any questions on why you can't say how someone will do in the pros based off their college stats, refer back to my first two arguements, because I'm not going to say it again.

You forgot about one distinct difference between AP, Bush and Darren McFadden. BUSH AND AP HAVE PLAYED IN THE PROS.

Here's some guys you may have heard of: Curtis Enis, Blair Thomas, Ki-Jana Carter, Lawrence Philips.

Question: What do these guys have in common?

Answer: Everyone was sure that they would dominate the NFL, all of which went at least in the Top 6 in their respective drafts, and they all flat out BUSTED.

Just because a guy has a good college career does not mean he's a shoe in to have a good NFL career. Use your head, bud.

Forget his running style and how "dynamic" he is. I guarentee you there are 20 guys who were just like him and didn't make as big an impact as you say he's going to have.

And when is it in the RB's criteria to be able to pass well?

Once again, maybe he punished LBs in college, but not neccesarily the pros.

Come back in January and ask me this question again.

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As has been said...Texans don't look so bad for taking Williams now huh....gees.

Side note:

How many fantasy teams did Reggie Bush kill last year? Gees.

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