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  • February 29, 2008 10:05 PM ET

The most important offensive baseball stat is OBP.

E4P Is Not So Mad For Max (72-17-3) vs Dyhard:Homecoming Week (251-186-35)
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OBP is how frequently the batter gets on base. This includes one of the most overlooked stats, the walk.

Things like RBIs are based on other people getting on base. OBP is purely up to one player and that players ability to do the most important thing when scoring runs, dont make an out. This extends the inning and increases the odds of scoring runs. After reading Moneyball, I know for a fact the most important offensive stat is OBP.


I'm going to go with batting average. BA is a very good way on how many hits and how well a player is hitting wise.

If a player has a bad BA, he isn't going to have a good OBP either. BA is the best way in determining if you are a good hitter or not.

It is the best way to determine who will help you most on a team.

If you have a high BA, you are going to be on my team, no matter how many RBI's you hit.

For a team to succeed, they need players who can hit and get hits for you, so you can score runs. Well, batting average is the best way to determine that. I want a player on my team with a good BA.

OBP is important, but it is not the most important. The most important would be BA.

Every time you see stats in a magazine, or online in a story of someone, or in the paper of someone, what do you see? BA, HR, RBI (most of the time). You will always see BA. You don't see OBP. They would put it in if it was so important, wouldn't they? Yes, they would.

Don't make an out, yes, that is what BA does. If you do, your BA goes down. That is why you don't want to make an out, and the less outs you make, the better your BA is.


How can BA be more important when OBP is BA plus all the other ways you can get on. So how is there any ways BA is better.

The only reason the most listed stats are BA, HR, RBI's and etc are because most baseball fans are naive. Baseball has always been about tradition so they seem to turn a blind eye to OBP.

I dont know what you agruements did at all besides strengthen my own. BA is just the less talented little brother of OBP.


Vote on the better arguments!

BA is a very good way in determining what your player can do for you. That is the thing that determines a batting player, and when he does for your team.

It tells how many he gets on base from a hit, and that is a very good way to determine how you are going to what a player can do for your team.

Yes, OBP is great, but is it as great as BA? No, not at all.

You can tell me that BA is included in OBP, but OBP isn't as good as BA. Batting average is the average that you bat. It dtermines how well you bat, and how many times that you can get on base, and get your team to score runs, which is an important thing in winning.

I would go with BA over OBP for a player.


NO ONE CARES HOW YOU GET ON BASE AS LONG AS YOU DO!!!!

Thats why OBP is far more important. Who cares if you hit a single or draw a walk, as long as you get on base and dont create an out. OBP FACTORS BOTH OF THESE THINGS IN.

So how can you say BA is even close to OBP?

Your extremely naive if you think BA average is better. Little kids grow up thinking that because they dont see the math inside the game. No one cares how you get on base! I could shoot the pitcher with a rifle but as long as its legal and I dont create a out NO ONE CARES!

Every AVERAGE FAN finds hits attractive because there exciting. Every AVERAGE FAN find walks boring and don't put them on the same level of a hit but in reality they are!

You have below average baseball knowledge if you actually belive that your BA is superior to your OBP.

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February 29, 2008  10:12 PM ET
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I will make an argument tomorrow.

February 29, 2008  10:13 PM ET
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Okay. Im in no hurry. Night,,,

February 29, 2008  10:45 PM ET
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i would agree but a good other arguement is runs or rbis

February 29, 2008  10:46 PM ET
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No. OPS.

February 29, 2008  11:00 PM ET
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OPS...

February 29, 2008  11:04 PM ET
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WINS!!! lol

March 1, 2008  03:21 PM ET
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dyhard...BA? No chance it's more important than OBP...especially since OBP includes BA plus all the other ways you get on base...

OPS man, OPS...easy win if you pick that...

Neither are right, but OBP is more important than BA...

Vote left...

March 1, 2008  03:33 PM ET
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Well at least wait untill arguments, not just the picks. Nice way of voting. *rolls eyes*

March 1, 2008  03:40 PM ET
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if you have a bad BA you're gonna have a bad OBP? ask Jason Giambi and Pat Burrell about that.

Pat Burrell in 2006: .258 BA with .388 OBP
Pat Burrell in 2007: .256 BA with .400 OBP

Jason Giambi in 2003: .250 BA with .412 OBP
Jason Giambi in 2005: .271 BA with .440 OBP
Jason Giambi in 2006: .253 BA with .413 OBP

March 1, 2008  04:24 PM ET
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God your so naive if you actually belive BA is better than OBP.

March 1, 2008  04:31 PM ET
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When it comes down to situational baseball, there are times when a hit is better than a walk. Like if you have a man on third with two outs in the bottom of the ninth, down by one run. Sure a walk prolongs the game and gives the next guy a chance at a hit, but i would take the hit from the first guy to tie the game.



Would you rather have a team that everyone bats .300, or a team that everyone has a .375 OBP? What leads to more runs being scored?

In so many situations i would rather the batter get a hit than take a walk, BUT, if a batter can be selective he increases the pitches thrown, he doesn't swing at a bad ball. If a team has only one good hitter, like Pujols, and he comes to the plate with a man at third and one out, i think he shouldn't be up at the plate trying to work a walk. The team needs him to get the damn runner in.

It's an argument that goes in circles....

March 1, 2008  04:40 PM ET
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I wouldn't say he has below average knowledge just because he like batting average.

A good team has proper balance. Guys who do anything to get on base(walks, bunts, hbp), as well as talented HITTERS who can get hits and drive runners in. The A's at times had great OBP but never seemed to score much. They always were trying to work a walk. All the pitcher had to do was throw strikes and he would roll right through the lineup.

March 1, 2008  04:52 PM ET
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OBP INCLUDES BA

March 1, 2008  04:54 PM ET
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diehard...my votes are preliminary until all arguments are made....votes can always be changed...you convinced me to change my vote in other threads before....

March 1, 2008  05:07 PM ET
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"OBP INCLUDES BA"


LOL, i know that.....

March 1, 2008  05:50 PM ET
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NO ONE CARES HOW YOU GET ON BASE AS LONG AS YOU DO!!!!



i would rather have a lower onp with someone that can hit rather than someone who gets walked on all the time....jjust me though

March 1, 2008  06:37 PM ET
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Should have been OPS...pretty weak

 
March 1, 2008  11:23 PM ET
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well it matters a little. what would you rather have happen:

1) runner on third base, batter up hits a single and drives in the run.

or

2) runner on third base, batter up draws a walk and no run scores.

id take #1,

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