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You are the Atlanta Falcons Owner/GM in the 1992 Offseason


You have just been offered the 19th overall pick in the 1992 NFL Draft from the Packers for QB Brett Favre.

Suddenly, you receive a vision from March 2008. Brett Favre is retiring as one of the greatest QBs of all-time. But that's all you see. There is no vision or indication of how the Falcons have done in the years since.

After seeing this, do you agree to the trade? You cannot use who Atlanta drafted 19th overall as a reason to say no, because this was before the draft.

I say yes.

There is no way to know if Favre ever would've reached his potential in Atlanta. When he went to the Packers he had Mike Holmgren, who was Steve Young's QB coach and is credited with him turning into a HoF passer. Atlanta had no one, and Jerry Glanville, the coach, didn't want to play Favre.

Also, you would've have had 2 1st Round picks for the second straight year. Who's to say that the players you could draft wouldn't turn into HoFers that lead you to multiple Super Bowls? (We KNOW they didn't, but that's not the point - in 1992 you wouldn't have known).

I guess I'll expand more in the next argument >_>

(P.S. I hope you people find this TD new and exciting :D)


In this scenario, as the Falcons GM you were able to see the future and see that Favre would be one of the best QBs in history. With this in mind, I'm assuming that Favre would become the starter.

While it is very possible that Favre wouldn't quite reach the all-legend status he is at now, it's clear he had the tools and mindset to be a great QB. So while he may not have broken any all-time records and only made a handful of pro bowls, he would have been a much better QB than any piece of crap Atlanta trotted out in the early 1990s.

That's one debate, but your big question is "do you agree to the trade," as in the 19th pick in the draft. If you could look in the future and see how good Favre was gonna be, I would at least demand more than one first round pick. Even half of what Favre produced over his career is worth more than a middle first round pick.

So no, there is no way in Hell I would have traded Brett Favre for the 19th pick in the draft if I knew what he would accomplish. I would either hang on to him, because even without Holmgren he would have been a good QB, or demanded much, much more in return for him.


Yes Favre had the tools, but many QBs have the tools and never do anything. Ryan Leaf? Tim Couch? Akili Smith?

I should've made this more specific concerning that draft pick though, oh well.

You also have to look at this: 0/4, 0 Yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTs. Those were Favre's numbers from his rookie year. All you saw in the vision was Favre's numbers, and those were Packer numbers.

When Favre went to GB he had Holmgren to help mold him and a great team was built around him.

You as the owner have to think "Well who do we have?", which of course the answer was "No one".

The big, main point to think of is how he would've done in Atlanta. For all we know, he could've ended up being a nobody, having a horrible career passing.

There are too many question marks surrounding keeping him. Would he end up leading you to many wins? Could these draft picks lead you to the promised land?

It's Risk-Risk, but you don't know which is the better choice.


If you knew you were holding on the the QB who, in one timeline at least (this is getting weird), broke every major passing mark, I think you would at least want to give him a try. There are several reason, some obvious and some not.

For starters, since you would know what he is capable of, it would be very stupid to just trade him away without ever giving him a chance as a starter. While those Falcons teams were very weak, I imagine Favre would be able to do some good for them no matter who mentored him.

Also, if I was the GM I wouldn't think that my coaches would be unable to coach him. The big basis of your argument is that Holmgren is the one who made Favre, well, Favre. While I may agree with that, if I was the owner, GM, or coach I wouldn't admit that my team was incapable of coaching one of the best QBs ever. I would believe I had a competent enough staff to turn him around.

Even if I didn't think that my coaching staff could turn Favre into a star, if I knew he was capable of being a star I would hire new coaches. I would o what it took to make this young, freewheeling kid into the man I saw in my vision, since I knew it was possible. I wouldn't let him go.


I'm not saying that Holmgren MADE Favre, I'm saying Holmgren helped "unlock" Favre and all his potential.

Was there anyone on the Falcons who could do that? No, not really, and it's not like Atlanta's starting QB at the time (Chris Miller) wasn't good (made the Pro Bowl in 1991).

"For starters, since you would know what he is capable of, it would be very stupid to just trade him away without ever giving him a chance as a starter"

Trades like that happen all the time in the NFL (aside from knowing what he is capable of), which really negates the point.

As I said in the comments, you said you would demand more than a mid-first round pick. Despite the fact that Ron Wolf had a rager for Favre, he would laugh in your face. Hell the Falcons were lucky he offered even that high a pick after 0/4 2 INTs.

Also, go back to what I mentioned in the first argument. Jerry Glanville has not seen this vision. Jerry Glanville does not like Favre. Would he really believe you? I doubt it. It's not like you can force him to start him. Fire him? Have fun with the after-effects of that.

While both decisions have many unknowns, keeping him has more.


In the comments sections you said my vision told me that "Brett Favre has retired after 17 years 1st all-time in every major passing category, with the most wins of any QB in NFL history, 3 NFL MVPs and a SB Ring." Well, I would have no idea about anything other than the fact that I have the statistically greatest QB ever sitting in my lap and I am about to trade him for a #19 pick. I'd like to know the GM that would trade him in that situation.

As for trading someone before giving them a shot, teams do it all the time because they don't think the player HAS a shot. Since you KNOW Favre does have a shot, it makes no sense to not hang on to him.

Lastly, I know Glanville didn't have the vision. Still, we all know GMs have a certain ability to enforce their decisions on coaches. Also, if you knew that Favre had the skillset and potential to be statistically the greatest QB in history, I think it would be worth Jerry Glanville's job to play Favre. It's not like Glanville had accomplished anything. There were many reasons to fire him, you wouldn't have to say "he wouldn't start Favre." There wouldn't be any irregular repercussions.

I would keep Favre. No deal.

Good luck man, I find it funny a Favre fan takes this.

Hopfully it doesn't ruin it >_<

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Great idea.

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Very interesting idea. Will hold my vote for more arguments but am leaning right.

If you knew he would be one of the best, there is no way you trade him because you still wouldn't know what your draft picks would do. Go with the guarantee of one of the best ever over a question no matter how many draft picks you get for him.

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Oh I'm not just a Favre fan Bio. I'm THE Favre fan.

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" you knew he would be one of the best, there is no way you trade him because you still wouldn't know what your draft picks would do. Go with the guarantee of one of the best ever over a question no matter how many draft picks you get for him."

You don't understand. You DON'T know how he would've done if he stayed in Atlanta. All you, as the owner/GM know in 1992 is that Favre being traded to the Packers has him retiring as one of the greatest all-time.

You DON'T know if he would've reached that status in Atlanta AT ALL.

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Okay, but if I knew he was CAPABLE of something like that I would do one of two things:

1) Try him out.

2) Trade him for more than a middle first round pick.

I wouldn't do the proposed deal, which is what you asked.

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So I don't waste argument space.

ATTN: Favrefan 4 Ever

The vision you see is Brett Favre announcing he is retiring and someone saying "Brett Favre has retired after 17 years 1st all-time in every major passing category, with the most wins of any QB in NFL history, 3 NFL MVPs and a SB Ring"

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Your little comment of wanting more just turned something in my brain.

The Packers would laugh in your face if you told them you wanted more.

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Then use that argument in your argument.

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Nice concept of a TD

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Interesting topic Bio. But I agree with Favrefan that if you knew the potential that he had, even with the 0/4 2 INT stat, you'd have to keep him and find that potential to benefit your own team.

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Had Favre stayed in Atlanta he would have been out of the league before he turned 30. The guy was gaining weight, drinking, skipping practice.

It took a move to GB to get him fired up.

You really can't blame Atlanta for dumping him.

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You should do the same TD on Mike Vick!

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