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Your building an NFL team from scratch and you have the first 6 picks in this years draft. You take..


1st pick and brief, 2nd & 3rd argue. NO ORDER

QB: Matt Ryan (Boston College) - The most important position in all of sports, you would be stupid to not put him, or atleast a quarterback on your team.

RB: Darren McFadden (Arkansas) - Offensive playmaker. Can break a big one at on any down and is very explosive.

OL: Jake Long (Michigan) - A good tackle to protect your quarterbacks blindside is the second most important player on offense

DE: Chris Long (Virginia) - Very hardworking and tenacious. Rushs the passer really well and looks like a future pro-bowler

DT: Glen Dorsey (LSU) - Can be purely dominiant. Big body who can stop the run to plug up the middle

LB: Keith Rivers (USC) - Every team needs a middle linebacker. Most important position on defense. In on almost every play


RB-Darren McFadden: Just a great player. He can do everything.

OT-Jake Long: Great run blocker. Tackle=the most important position on offense.

DE-Chris Long: Best mix of run and pass defense in the draft.

DT-Sedrick Ellis: Doesn't have injury problems like Dorsey. He's better for the 3-4 (which I would run).

LB-Keith Rivers: Rivers would be the defensive leader and hopefully the next Patrick Willis.

CB-Leodis McKelvin: Lockdown corner. Takes the #1 receiver out of the game.


well.. good picks, but:

- how didn't you pick a quarterback?! Thats ridiculous! Your starting a franchise and you dont pick a quarterback. Thats amazing.

- We both have Long, Long, Rivers and Mcfadden. DT is different - I got Dorsey you got Ellis. And position wise, I have QB and yo have CB. I'll try and get in an argument for all of these differences.

- Dorsey vs. Ellis - Well, I know that Dorsey has had injury problems, but I take him and heres why. Dorsey has more talent, to start. Also, he has the ability to just purely dominate. If you watched some of his games, you would no this. He is becomes just simply dominiant sometimes. Now, nothing against Ellis, great DT and future star, but I take the National Championship winning Dorsey over him.

- Again... NO QUARTERBACK?! I took one, planning on building a WINNING team. In order to win anything in the NFL, you NEED a quarterback or a veteran, shut down defense. You wouldn't have that as ur expansion. Also, McKelvin is a great corner, but there is some speculation and talk that he is no longer the top choice in this years draft

* ran out of room, will continue in next argument


Ryan isn't a franchise QB. Would you want Ryan Leaf or Joey Harrington leading your team? That's what you get with Matt Ryan. He's one of the most overrated QBs in draft history. I'd wait for Flacco in the second round and beef up my defense in the first round.

Dorsey did very little in winning the national championship. Ellis is a bigger body and was the best player at the Senior Bowl. Dorsey didn't workout at the combine because of his knees. This is going to be a lingering problem. I'll take the healthy player over the unhealthy player who were about equal in play.

Where is there speculation about McKelvin not being a top pick? He had a 38.5 vertical at the Combine and ran pretty well. He's still the top corner in the draft and will also be a great returner.

Matt Ryan is awful. Also, teams have gone to the Super Bowl without a QB (2001 Ravens, 2007 Bears), but what team has gone to the Super Bowl with a bad defense? I can't think of any. Even the 2007 Colts defense stepped it up in the playoffs. The Titans made it to the playoffs with Vince Young. The Redskins made it to the playoffs with Todd Collins. Who had the bad defense in the playoffs?


- Sure, the 2001 Ravens and 2007 Bears didn't have there "top-tier" quarterback, but they did have the "veteran, shut down defense" that I stated a team would need to get there.

- Also, Dorsey and Ellis don't have the size to be a Nose Tackle in the NFL. Here, look at this, Jamal Williams and Casey Hampton are arguably the best nosetackles in the NFL, and lets look at there size compared.

Casey Hampton (Steelers NT): 6'1, 325 Pounds
Jamal Williams (Chargers NT): 6'3, 348 Pounds

Sedrick Ellis: 6'1, 285 Pounds
Glenn Dorsey: 6'2, 299 Pounds

so clearly both these men don't have the size required to play this position in the NFL.

- How is Matt Ryan not a good quarterback? His overall mock pick is around 3-5 and he is by far the consensus pick for the best quarterback avaliable in this years draft. I don't understand how you dont have a player who plays the most important position in sports on ur team

- http://football.about.com/cs/positionalranking/a/nfldraftcbrank.htm
http://www.thefootballexpert.com/draftjournalcornerbacks080001.html
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/520639/2008_nfl_draft_preview_cornerbacks.html

* all site Leodis not 1, all i can fit


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Should be a good TD.

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Vote to Jord for now.

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I wouldn't pick a QB in the first round I would go for the defense first. I mean you could get someone like Joe Flacco in the second round right.

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gholston over rivers

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<---------------- no QB Irish???

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Irish has good picks and i see why he didnt pick a qb,but ill just wait and see but i ot a question for Jord how many good corners are there in this years draft compaired to qb's?

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Ellis would not be better in a 3-4 - he's not a 0-technique tackle.

In no order...

Ryan
Dorsey
Ellis
J. Long
Gholston
Branden Albert

Great pieces in place to build around...it always starts with a QB (I don't concern myself with Combine showings at this position, he made some huge throws in big games for his team. A few INTs, too, but with the line I'm gonna give him, he'll succeed), then strength on the lines.

Nothing against McFadden, but it's harder to find Jake Long than it is to find an athletic, well-built running back who can't keep his unit in his pants (keep in mind, alimony suits are going to come into play in his contract). Plus, if the game has shown us anything over the past few years, it's that finding a running back who can finish in the top 10 in the important rushing statistics isn't too hard if you know what to look for.

Judging by the success the Minnesota Vikings and the Jacksonville Jaguars have had over the past few seasons with dominant D tackle combinations, Dorsey and Ellis side-by-side gives my defense an anchor. Ellis at the DT and Dorsey at the UT, and a physical freak like Gholston off the edge...give them time to adapt to NFL speed, then have fun picking which one to leave with one blocker. Can you say max protect?

Long and Albert give me a great tackle and a great guard, both of whom are about as can't-miss as they come in a draft. Look at the dramatic improvement Cleveland made when they inserted a strong T/G combination onto their team in 2007. They made a rather average-talented QB into a Pro Bowler. Yes, the skill position talent on the Browns has something to do with that, but very few QBs are good when they have to throw on their backs, and very few receivers put up great numbers if they only have three seconds to get open. They also make my running game that much better, which is also the reason I'll take Albert over McFadden. An RB can't make a line better; a line can make any RB outstanding.

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Ellis played nose tackle at USC. I think he could make the small transition to play it in the 3-4.

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NYFan makes a good point. I guess I was operating under the assumption that these six picks were all I get in this draft. However, I think we see many of the better CBs in the league coming from the later rounds. That's kind of thin, though, considering there are always going to be more 2-7 round picks in the NFL than 1st rounders.

A team isn't completed after one draft anyway, and I like my team's future with those six enough to be comfortable not taking the CB.

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And I did this assuming that I would have picks in later rounds as well.

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USC put four on the ground, and a zero technique in the NFL is far from that same position in college. Guards are considerably quicker and much bigger. His natural ability would be much better suited in a 4-3, in my opinion. He doesn't have the bulk to command a double-team (a la Casey Hampton, Vince Wilfork and Jamal Williams, the three best 0-techniques in the game).

Agree to disagree. Ellis is playing the 3 on my team.

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Great topic though. Anyone interested in making something of an off-shoot TD on this? Or even just flat-out steal the same idea? lol

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There are good corners in this draft, but there is a big difference between Leodis McKelvin and Tracy Porter. I would only take Ryan if he fell to the second day. He can't read defenses, especially linebackers. So many of his passes get batted down or picked off by people in the front 7. His accuracy is mediocre as well. This just marks the second straight year that a terrible QB will go in the top 10. JaFatass Russell has great arm strength and can throw the ball 50 yards on his ****? Great. He'll need to do that playing for the Raiders if anyone can take him down. It's hard to tackle people that make Fat B@stard look like Keira Knightley.

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The size is pretty good and the 0 technique is teachable unlike size.

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Good point on Ryan, Irish. May even re-think putting him on my list. I do agree, teams can get away with average QB play and still win (although you should mention that the 2000-01 Ravens and 06-07 Bears defenses were far better than average).

In all fairness, too, Dilfer wasn't terrible that year, and Grossman had a great start to that year. His worst games were the worst in the league, but he did have some very good games as well (eight of 19 games he was rated over 90 and had 26 touchdowns in those 19 games). I'm not saying to put the guy in the Hall or anything, but he did have a decent amount of quality games.

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Neither Dorsey nor Ellis have NT size. They're 4-3 tackles. They're quick as all h3ll, but they're both around 305. Hampton/Wilfork/Williams are 330+. That's a big part of why they are so good.

As you pointed out, "JaFatAss Russell" is around 305, I'm reading, maybe the Raiders should try him on the line.

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I don't know too much about the 3-4, and all I know about it is from Notre Dame. ND's NT is Ian Williams who is the same size as Ellis. I know that doesn't carry over, but I can see Ellis comanding double teams from guards and the center not only because he's 310 pounds, but because he's so talented. The 3-4 line is an enigma. Big boys get the nose tackle and defensive end is one of the hardest positions to play. I want Ellis on my team. He can play defensive end or tackle.

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I'm not saying he shouldn't be on the line, I'm saying he should be at the 3-technique, not the 0. All that means is he's a better fit in a 4-3 defense.

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I can't understand why everyone likes Ryan so much. He threw 18 INTs last season. How could you think that's good when hardly any draft worthy QBs ever throw more than 12 in a college season?

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