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Leaderboard challenge: The Steelers are one of the most over rated teams in the NFL.

Cowboys-Celtics-Chisox said 03/16, 06:21 AM
I'm challenging everyone on the leader board to a TD. This is #7 going out to Duquesne.

Big Ben went from game manager to game changer and all is right in Steelerville, right?

Wrong.

31 QBs were sacked fewer times than Rothlisberger this past year. THIRTY ONE.

And they LOST Faneca, to boot.

Pittsburgh was exposed every time they played a complete team last year, and the loss of Faneca will only serve to expose them even more next year.

Then we move on to wee Willie Parker. He has neither the moves nor the power to be an elite back in the league. He's got the speed, but the rest of the league has figured him out and cut out his angles. He can't juke anyone so if he can't out run them, he's a sitting duck as this past year showed.

With an Oline in shambles, a QB who can't throw from his back, and a RB who needs a huge hole to run through the Steelers D doesn't much matter. Someone has to actually score in order to be successful in the National Football League.

Pitt might still be the class of their division, but that isn't saying much when the comp is Cincy, Cleveland, and Baltimore.

The Steelers are NOT an elite team in the NFL.

Dookie: Here We Go Steelers said 03/16, 11:07 AM
Usually I hate challenge TDs because the topic is something I have no clue about...but kudos to you CCC for picking a topic near and dear to my heart...

Your title says the Steelers are one of the most over rated teams in the NFL and that is flat out wrong.

"31 QBs were sacked fewer times than Rothlisberger this past year." (I think you mean 30 starting QBs were sacked less)
--30 QBs had a lower QB rating than Big Ben did last year. His 104.1 rating was second best to Brady's.
--29 QBs had fewer passing TDs than Big Ben last year. He had more than a certain QB named Peyton Manning

I musta forgot everything I saw last season when I was watching the games. Wasn't fast Willie leading the league in rushing when he was injured?

"With an Oline in shambles, a QB who can't throw from his back, and a RB who needs a huge hole"
--yes, the Oline is in shambles, but lets see what the Steelers do in the draft. They have always been a good drafting team. Big Ben must throw well from his back because he had a top 3 performance last year. Willie must be goot at creating holes because he was leading the league even with our line troubles

The Steelers are not overrated at all

Cowboys-Celtics-Chisox said 03/16, 05:48 PM
Ah passer rating. The most overly abused stat in football.

Yes Ben had the second highest passer rating in football last year. Of course he only put the ball in the air 404 times as well. 148 fewer times than Drew Brees, for example. And Passer rating doesn't reflect holding the ball too long and taking a sack. Indecisiveness contributed to the 47 times Big Ben found himself on his back last year. His 3154 yards passing put him right in the middle of the pack at 14th.

Wee Willie was indeed leading the league in rushing yards when he got hurt...of course he had carried the ball far more times than anyone else, as well.

Most people would agree that Frank Gore had a disappointing season last year, but he can still say he averaged more yards per carry and score 2.5 times as many TD's as Willie Parker.

Speaking of TD's...how does a RB carry the ball 321 times and only find the end zone twice? Willie had twice as many fumbles as TD's. Never a good sign for a feature back

And now Faneca is gone. You don't replace that kind of talent with a rookie

As embarrassing losses to the Jets and Cardinals along with a nailbiter against the fins showed, the Steelers aren't as good as the hype

Dookie: Here We Go Steelers said 03/16, 07:25 PM
I'm at a loss for words at what you are trying to agrue. Last year the Steelers had a top 5 QB in Big Ben. Yes, he doesn't throw as much as other QBs, but that's not the Steeler's gameplan. He completed 65.3% of his passes, good for 7th best in the league (5th best for QBs that had at least 12 starts). Tell me that's overrated.

The Steelers also have Willie Parker, a running back that has started at least 15 games the last three years and has at least 1200 yards each of those years.

Not to mention the Steelers have a top ranked Defense. What wins championships again?

"Speaking of TD's...how does a RB carry the ball 321 times and only find the end zone twice? "
--easy, the Steelers used lots of play action around the goal line because teams had to respect the Steelers running game (and Davenport is our short yardage back)

What is this hype you are trying to say the Steelers aren't as good as? They are a solid playoff team year in and year out. I never have said they are top 3 in the league or anything. But they are not overrated as a solid playoff team...not a chance. Their last losing season was 2003. 5 Super Bowl wins. Tell me how they are overrated aga

Cowboys-Celtics-Chisox said 03/17, 05:33 PM
"What is this hype you are trying to say the Steelers aren't as good as?"

They hype I speak of was found everywhere on this site this past season. This site has a lot of Steelers fans, of course, that made Pittsburgh out to be the best thing since sliced bread. It was stated repeatedly that Pitt would be the team to take down the Pats, for example. And it wasn't just homer fans on a web site, either. Even Steelers safety Anthony Smith jumped into the fray going so far as to guarantee victory over New England.

All year we heard repeatedly how the Steelers were great, Big Ben was the best QB in the NFL who didn't play in New England, Willie Parker was the best RB around and the Steelers defense was going to carry them to a title.

Reality is the Steelers are a slightly above average team that struggled in losses against such power houses as Arizona, Denver, and the NY Jets, and Baltimore barely survived a last second 3-pt victory over then winless Miami, and was taken out twice at home late in the season by the Jags.

The Pittsburgh Steelers are a good team, but no where near as good as their fans and even the media to an extent, made them out to be this past year.

Dookie: Here We Go Steelers said 03/17, 06:21 PM
"They hype I speak of was found everywhere on this site this past season."
--minus the couple homer fans that can't see things objectively, no one claimed the Steelers were Super Bowl favorites. We all thought it was New England's year. We all knew they were a playoff team, and I still think they were a better team than the Jags, but not a Super Bowl winning team by any means. So personally, I think the hype fit what they accomplished. As for the Pats, I know I said the Steelers have the best chance due to their style of game (good defense and a run game to control the clock), but I didn't say the Steelers would win.

"Even Steelers safety Anthony Smith jumped into the fray going so far as to guarantee victory over New England. "
--I did say he was an idiot though

Did you really bring back up the Miami game? I've said it a million times, the field was so sloppy nothing should be taken away from it besides H.S. football shouldn't be played there.

The Steelers were billed as a playoff team, always put behind teams like New England and Indy, and the Steelers played to that level winning 10 games and the AFC North

So it looks like they played to their expectations

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Hint, hint, look at their competition last year.

That whole division will look awful after the 2008 season.

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