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YanksFan said 03/21, 02:33 PM
List 1rst then argue 2nd adn 3rd
Must play in AL now

1.Josh Beckett (Red Sox)
2. C.C. Sabathia (Indians)
3. John Lackey (Angels)
4. Justin Verlander (Tigers)
5. Scott Kazmir (Rays)

Does not have to be in order!

Dyhard -- Badgers/Brewers won said 03/21, 02:33 PM
1.Josh Beckett
2.CC Sabathia
3.John Lackey
4.Justin Verlander
5.Fausto Carmona

YanksFan said 03/21, 02:44 PM
So the only difference is Carmona vs Kazmir

I picked Kazmir because he is a great pitcher for the team he plays for....Tampa. If he played for a better team he would be just as good, if not better than Carmona.

Now I know people would say Carmona is a better pitcher, but lets look at their records, Carmona 19-8, Kazmir 13-9. Now, I know you are saying he has a better record, but Kazmir had only 1 more loss than him, and if Kamir had a better defense and offense than he would probaly have an indentical record.

Now, also Kazmir strikes out more batters, the stats show Kazmir with 239 Ks and Carmona with only 137, almost a 100 more Ks for Kazmir.

So that is why Kazmir is better than Fausto

Dyhard -- Badgers/Brewers won said 03/21, 03:07 PM
Great, you are showing their record, which Carmona has more wins, and their strikeouts. That isn't everything in baseball. There are a lot of things that you are missing. What about ERA, WHIP, BAA? Those are some key categories when arguing about who is better.

Fausto Carmona:
3.06 ERA
1.21 WHIP
BAA-.248

Scott Kazmir:
3.48 ERA
1.38 WHIP
.251 BAA

Fausto Carmona has a better ERA, better WHIP, and has a better BAA. He is a better pitcher who gives up less runs. They can't hit as good against him as they can against Kazmir.

Carmona was in the top 5 running for Cy Young. Kazmir was on the outside looking in.

Kazmir is a good pitcher, who strikes out a lot of batters, but Carmona lets up less runs, batters have a worse BAA, and he gives up less walks, and hits per innings pitched.

He is a great pitcher, and he is a top 5 AL pitcher. Kazmir is also a great pitcher, but he just needs to lower his ERA, WHIP, and BAA and then he will be better than Carmona, but right now, Carmona is the better pitcher.

Carmona has a better ERA, which means less runs, which means less losses.

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Dude on left Kazmir is way better but your argumen is not that convinving

Ellsbury Rocks | 03/21/08, 02:50 PM

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Kazmir is not way better. Fausto 4th in Cy Young voting. Kazmir? Nowhere to be found. Besides I think that James Shields is better and on the same. team.

Chengy: bye FN | 03/21/08, 03:12 PM

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Bedard is better then Kazmir and Carmona for the time being

The Waiting Game | 03/21/08, 03:23 PM

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Josh Beckett
CC Sabathia
Erik Bedard
John Lackey
Justin Verlander

Scott Kazmir
Fausto Carmona
Felix Hernandez

The Waiting Game | 03/21/08, 03:24 PM

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Kazmir has proven he can do it year to year while Carmona has one good year

Ellsbury Rocks | 03/21/08, 04:10 PM

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This was Carmona's FIRST year as a starter.

Dyhard -- Badgers/Brewers won | 03/21/08, 04:12 PM

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wow no roy halladay you guys should commit suicide

bluejays WS 08 | 03/21/08, 07:45 PM

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wow no roy halladay you guys should commit suicide

bluejays WS 08 | 03/21/08, 07:45 PM

Um... he is in the top 10, not top 5. Maybe you should commit suicide since you don't know baseball.

Dyhard -- Badgers/Brewers won | 03/21/08, 09:52 PM

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