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AirforceBat said 06/12, 06:09 PM
If you look throughout the history of the NFL, you can generally see that most good teams on offense can do really good with a decent runningback. I mean its always great to have a LT or a Barry Sanders, but if you have an offensive line, an offense can get away with a Tatum Bell or a Leon Washington/Kevin Barlow.
Thats not to say that runningback isn't important, but I think most people would agree that its alot easier to find a solid running back then it is to find a solid offensive lineman.
I think everyone would agree that good QBplay and good offensive line play will almost directly result in good runningback play.
I also think that its way easier to get decent running back play then wide receivers. You kind of have to look at the old Patriots when they were running Kevin Faulk. He was a decent back but he was never anything special.
Yet they could still get enough and had good enough wide receivers.
Tight end the same way. I think thats one of the reasons that coaches are going to two back systems. A few feel like that its easier to run two good backs then have just one great one, and they feel like they can have the same results.
Big Ben68 said 06/12, 06:18 PM
AirForce I don't think running backs are easy to replace. When you look at teams that have their offenses based about the running game the back up that comes in for the injured or removed starter usually do well (i.e. Redskins, Steelers, Broncos). All three of my named teams run the ball more than they pass or have their offense based on the running game. These teams can usually plug in any guy with a small amount of talent and he'll go for 1,000 yards, but as soon as you put somebody with tremendous ability he???ll go for 1,500 yards easily. But look at these teams, they have had QB troubles over the recent years until the Steelers picked up Roethlisberger, the Redskins got their situation fixed up, and the Broncos have had Plummer (who is now disposed of and replaced with Cutler, who shows incredible promise). But the position that is easiest to replace on offense is the wide receiver in run first offenses. They are really only there to catch about five to seven balls a game and just move the chains when the defense starts keying in on the running game. They can be replaced with relative ease and only need to have good hands and decent speed. I???ll finish in my next argument
AirforceBat said 06/12, 06:31 PM
Thats a good argument, but usually a team with just three decent wideouts isn't very successful. Usually there has to be one guy who demands respect and gets the defense to adjust to him. Now there are some teams that get away with decent wideouts, but all of them have GREAT tightends for the most part, and they are so good that they line up in the slot and are used sometimes as widereceivers.
But lets look at some of our superbowl champs of the past few years. We have the Colts who won with a backup running back and rookie. The Steelers, who had a split backfield of Jerome Bettis who was past his prime and Willie Parker who is a decent back who has great speed.
The year before that was the Patriots who had Dillon, who was really then the first elite back when they got him... if he was even elite at that age.
The year before that it was the Pats running with Kevin Faulk and Stecker I believe.. could be wrong.
am HUGE fan of the running back, but if I'd rather have a really good widereceiver and an average running back.
Of course there are exceptions, you know I wouldn't pass on a barry sanders or LT.
Big Ben68 said 06/12, 06:38 PM
Dwayne Jarrett, Keyshawn Johnson, Marques Colston, and other big receivers are the prototypes for this type of receiver in this offense. Okay, I would rather have two decent wide receivers and a running back that can do anything (i.e. LT). If my running back can catch better than my WR and I still have a pretty good tight end I'm pretty damn happy. I don't need game breaking wide receivers when I have a running back that can do that all by himself. Those two WR just need to be enough of threat that they???ll take enough pressure off of my HB that he can run wild. Wide receivers hands downs are easier to replace unless your offense is based upon that passing game much like the Colts. Look at the Chiefs and Chargers. Neither team has any decent wide receivers to speak of yet they are still potent offenses because they have that game changing running back and a pretty good tight end (in this case very good tight end). The need of good receivers becomes drastically less when you have that HB to do your work and the tight end to be your receiver.
AirforceBat said 06/12, 06:55 PM
Ok I'm glad you mentioned the Chiefs and the Chargers. Yes they don't have great wide receivers, but they both have tightends that can spread the field for them.
The chiefs running game is my prime example of just having a decent running game in there. When Priest Holmes went down in 2004, Derrick Blaylock filled in for him. Blaylock was very successful and had great statistics. Due to a number of factors... 1) He had a dominant offensive line. 2) They had a very good QB 3) Tony G would line up and spread the field from the slot.
Now I said at the beginning that LT is an exception. But what about all the stuff in the middle? You probably named the two teams with two of the best receiving tight ends in the league.
This year alone look at the starters who have switched teams.
Droughns, Lewis, Bell, Henry, McGahee, Rhodes
Now I know that Rhodes was sitting back seat by the end, but you get the picture.The NFL finds the running backs more expendable due to that widereceiver is a position that if you mess up on your route, your done for. The worst a running back can do is miss a block, which is a basic blocking scheme most of the time.
Big Ben68 said 06/12, 07:03 PM
No, I don't think so. The only reason those guys moved is because of trades (Droughns, McGahee, Bell) and free agency (Henry, Lewis, and Rhodes). None of the teams wanted to resign those guys and since the Ravens got McGahee in a trade, Jamal Lewis was expendable so that really doesn't mean anything (seeing as both were first round picks). Rhodes has never been all that good and so has gone to the Raiders, so his career is pretty much over. Henry left his team because they didn't want to resign him and look at the turmoil the Titans are in at running back with Lendale White who has no work ethic and is overweight yet again. The Titans seem to be having a problem replacing their 1,200 yard rusher from last season. A running back can do much worse than just miss a block. He can miss a whole that would have taken him for that extra three or four yards for a first down. He can try to bull through someone when he should have just juked around them. The running back needs to have vision and not just any guy can be brought in at running back for any team and hope to do well. A receiver can still mess up on a route or miss a ball and come back the next play and turn it into a TD.
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oooh nice
AirforceBat
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someone good
AirforceBat
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Waiting on you AirForce.
Big Ben68
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you guys both make good arguments. hmmmmmmm.....
TheGreat1
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good throw down
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If it's in Denver - yes. If it's somewhere else - not really. Tight End is more expendable than the RB.
weebs
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This is a tough one.
Coletrain
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No...you are wrong!!! Actually, yeah, I know. I wasn't thinking when I was typing and so noticed that after I posted it, but shhhhhh...keep it down. But no, I mean you can have a decent runningback, but he'll get shut down easier than if you had a great runningback and decent WRs.
Big Ben68
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I meant to say but no seriously,
Big Ben68
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How sure are you of the Redskins having "fixed" their quarterback problems? Maybe I'm not looking at the same quarterback.
Steelercooz
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I've got to go with Airforce right now, although both of you make excellent arguments.
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Well, they have. They have inserted the future of the franchise in Jason Campbell. Believe me, most Redskins fans were ready to put the head of Brunell on a stake and say "stop with the damn short passes"!! LOL, kidding, but seriously he is the future of the franchise and that is why most feel that there really aren't any questions. In his time on the field as the starter last season he showed tremendous poise in the pocket, great zip on the ball, and pretty good accuracy as well as great scrambling ability and tackle breaking ability (ducked out of an Antonio Pierce tackle then stiff armed Osi Umenyiora to the ground).
Big Ben68
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Fair enough...but accuracy? 53 percent completions? I can't mention Ben Roethlisberger's success around here without being given a barrage of "BEN ****!" so you can understand my need to understand how Jason Campbell has fixed anything at this point. And he had a pretty solid ground game behind him.
Steelercooz
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I know, but as a first year starter a 53% is better than most expected. And yes, mention him and I will claim thy soul! Kidding...
Anyway, I think Jason is better than Brunell at this point (most can agree with me) and will only improve during this year.
Big Ben68
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Well I'm glad that we can have an intelligent argument.
AirforceBat
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Tatum Bell and Kevan Barlow are not good examples. Kevan Barlow barely even played for the Jets. You should have said Ladell Betts.
Gatorbait 22
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AirForce is better than Brunell at this point, though...
Steelercooz
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thats why i said barlow/leon washington dude
AirforceBat
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they split time
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