NMI III: One change you would make to the NCAA Men's Basketball Tourney
The Guru hopes to be back soon said 03/31, 11:48 AM
College Basketball is not my strong point, though some would argue that I really don't have any. Here goes???.
I personally don't see much change is needed in the tournament. The excitement and drama that goes with March Madness, to me, is perfect. But if I to change one thing, I would say possibly adding more teams into the mix.
Currently, there are 65 teams who qualify for the Big Dance. With one of those teams eliminated after the "play-in" game, or opening round. My suggestion would be opening the field up to 68 teams, elimination the chances of numerous major snubs, see Arizona State, Virginia Tech, Mississippi, New Mexico, etc. Each additional team must compete in a "play-in' game, with the winner being seeded last in each region and playing against the #1 seeds.
Now I understand that this will not eliminate ALL snubs, it's impossible to satisfy everyone. By having the #16 seed be determined by 4 Play-In games using additional teams would alleviate some of the pressures of the already questionable selection process.
Da Masta: At camp to july 25 said 03/31, 08:46 PM
I would put in 128 teams and just start the tourney 1 day earlier. These games wouldn't even have to be televised.
They would have a CPU determine the top 128 teams in the country and then just start it 1 day earlier and play out the added games.
This would help knock some teams that didn't really deserve to be in the tourney like Coppin State and Mount St Mary's.
It would also give teams like Florida, Ohio St, and Virginia Tech a chance that they deserved in the tourney.
What is wrong with your idea is that it wouldn't really make a difference. The 16 seeds wouldn't have a chance anyway and it would just make the tourney more difficult to organize with no real gain...
Also, my stategy will eliminate all of the snubs as a computer will determine the top 128 teams while yours will only give 4 more teams a chance....
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The Guru hopes to be back soon said 04/01, 03:32 AM
128 teams? In my opinion, thats way too many. Whats the point in playing the regular season then? Thats a third of the whole field, which means a team with a losing record has the possibility of making the tournament. Does that sound appealing? Whats the point of conference tournaments?
How can my idea not work? Arizona, Ohio State and Virginia Tech can compete in the play-in games and earn their way into the tournament. like i said, its IMPOSSIBLE to satisfy each team but it does add more drama and eliminate the big snubs. I just don't see 128 teams in the tournament as an improvment but more of a headache.
Again voters, think about it for a second. If a 1/3 of the Ncaa Mens division 1 teams can simply qualify with a medicore record, whats the point of playing the regular season of conference tourneys?
Da Masta: At camp to july 25 said 04/02, 04:10 AM
Forfeited Turn
The Guru hopes to be back soon said 04/02, 12:09 PM
According to your comments below you accidently forfeited your turn due to school. I'll give up this turn and make my arguments in the comment section if needed.
I have a few questions you can answer in your next argument...
1: Please explain to me how 128 teams would work.
2: Explain to me what the point is for all Collegiate teams to play a FULL COMPETITIVE season if 1/3 of the teams can qualify with your rules.
3: Explain to us how exciting it would be to have a team with a LOSING record easily qualifing for the tournament.
Da Masta: At camp to july 25 said 04/02, 03:45 PM
1. How would 128 teams not work??? It would be the same thing as the regular tourney with one round and one day extra. All of the games in this round would be played in one day and only like 1 or 2 would have to be televised. This would just be something like a pre-round the determines the field of 64 teams. How would it not work?
2 and 3 together. Yes that is 1/3 of the teams but teams with losing records would likely not make the 128 teams still. According to ESPN.com, there were about 180 teams with winning records. This means that there will not be teams with losing records making the tourney.
You would still have to play a full competitive season for several reasons. First of all, a CPU would determine the teams in the bracket so then in the CPU felt that you didn't try hard enough and weren't one of the top 128 teams then you would be out. Also, you wouldn't get a high seed in the tourney if you didn't play competitively all season.
The point of the conference tourneys would be that you would still get an auto-bid to be in the tourney.
I know that it is impossible to eliminate all snubs but my way eliminates way more than yours, about 60 more.
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Comments (25)
NMI 3? There are now 3 NMI groups? OMG!
Cain-Willis. In & Out... | 03/31/08, 12:00 PM
Report Offensive Commentmake the sport of basketball about tall dudes putting a ball in a hole and not about what is and is not called a foul
Frank Pentangelli is READY | 03/31/08, 12:03 PM
Report Offensive CommentHow about we give the ACC champion a bye to the Final Four
I mean they are going to get there anyway :-)
This is not the Pimp you want | 03/31/08, 12:10 PM
Report Offensive Commentlol David. I got UCLA and NC in the finals. So far so good
The Guru hopes to be back soon | 03/31/08, 12:12 PM
Report Offensive CommentHow about we give the ACC champion a bye to the Final Four
I mean they are going to get there anyway :-)
A throwdowner named NCshvDavid | 03/31/08, 12:10 PM
Why stop there? There must be 64 schools in North Carolina. Include them all.
Porkins: Pisses Excellence | 03/31/08, 12:40 PM
Report Offensive CommentI would say get rid of the play-in game.
Bigdleech | 03/31/08, 12:40 PM
Report Offensive Commentas a vol i just got into ncaa basketball, that crap is faker than 90210, i seen more undetermined outcomes at wrestlemania last night then i did the entire ncaa tourney
cbs probably already has the script for next year ready
Frank Pentangelli is READY | 03/31/08, 12:43 PM
Report Offensive CommentCBS? They are NMI too? wow!
Cain-Willis. In & Out... | 03/31/08, 12:56 PM
Report Offensive Commentcbs probably already has the script for next year ready
Frank Pentangeli | 03/31/08, 12:43 PM
I must admit, Frank, that last play by Davidson looked an awful lot like they were tanking so that the fourth #1 seed would advance...
Porkins: Pisses Excellence | 03/31/08, 12:58 PM
Report Offensive Commentagreed with porkins, there was no drawn out play for the season ending game....
although the possibility of 128 teams isn't out of the box..i like the idea and more teams get the chance to knock out some fakers...cough::duke::cough
not to mention it only take ONE day to get back to the 64 original tourney...
Steveo16220 is a GGTK | 03/31/08, 02:11 PM
Report Offensive Comment128 teams? Way too many....vote to Guru for now, but will change as arguments warrant it.
rstowe - The NMI Emperor | 04/01/08, 07:03 AM
Report Offensive Commentdarn, I missed my arguement when I was at school yesterday!
Da Masta: At camp to july 25 | 04/02/08, 07:28 AM
Report Offensive Commentnoticed you had time to vote for yourself though lol
The Guru hopes to be back soon | 04/02/08, 12:59 PM
Report Offensive CommentDa Masta: got fooled said 03/31, 08:46 PM
"This would help knock some teams that didn't really deserve to be in the tourney like Coppin State and Mount St Mary's"
Mount St Marys and Coppin State won their respective Conferences. How do they NOT deserve to be in? Plus, with your 128 team addition, they would still make the tournament. Yet the above quote you say they didnt deserve to be in. I'm confused with your stance.
The Guru hopes to be back soon | 04/02/08, 03:29 PM
Report Offensive Comment128 would be a logistical nightmare. Where would the games be played? At the same location of the current first 2 rounds? You can't play 8 games in a day at one court. Plus several losing teams would get in. The 11th place Big East and the 9 Pac-10 team would probably be in the top 128 despite losing records. That would make the regular season pretty pointless for all Major conference teams. Just don't finish DEAD LAST and you're in.
The Ram | 04/02/08, 03:55 PM
Report Offensive CommentGood points Guru. 4 play in games(one in each region) would certainly give more opportunities for other teams.
The Bandit | 04/02/08, 03:56 PM
Report Offensive CommentThere are about 350 Divison 1-A teams in College basketball. If 128 get in, that's more than 30%!!! There's also the NIT and the CBI tourneys too, so that makes almost 2/3 of college basketball teams are going to be in post-season play. The post season is reserved for the good teams only.
128 games is just way too much. Not enough time, and it will be hard to find many venues to all have an open weekend for basketball. And how will it be televised? People will want to watch it! Unless the big time networks work out some sort of deal to all show different parts of the tourney, I don't know.
RHATER is Gone. | 04/02/08, 03:59 PM
Report Offensive CommentAnd, I really agree with Guru, the tourney doesn't need changes at all. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. His changes are minute, and give those few teams another chance. The 128 games is just too much.
RHATER is Gone. | 04/02/08, 04:00 PM
Report Offensive CommentVote Guru.
RHATER is Gone. | 04/02/08, 04:00 PM
Report Offensive CommentCan you imagine filling out a bracket of a field of 128? Man, that'll be one big headache. lol
The Bandit | 04/02/08, 04:01 PM
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