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If the NFL Owners dissolve the Collective Bargaining Agreement, eliminating the salary cap, what team would gain the greatest advantage? (Ben's wrong)


I'm going to say the Seattle Seahawks.

The Seattle Seahawks are owned by a consortium including former Microsoft partner Steve Allen (who also owns the Portland Trail Blazers and the impending MLS franchise in Seattle, along with the Rose Garden arena in Portland), who has a net worth of 16 BILLION DOLLARS, good for the 41st highest in the world, ahead of such financial barons as Michael Bloomberg and Phil Knight.

He would be able to spend enough money on the team that NO PLAYER would go anywhere BUT Seattle if Allen or the franchise wanted them there. Think in terms of what the New York Yankees have accomplished in MLB- 39 Pennants, 26 Championships. That same effect would be shown by the team that pays the most money in the NFL, which by all of the things we can speculate upon now, would be the Seattle Seahawks.


Paul Allen is the owner of the Seahawks. Now when I think of the salary cap being removed I picture the franchise's monetary gains as what is being used to sign free agents, draft picks, and coaches NOT how much the owner makes in his/her other endeavors, which would make the Washington Redskins the most viable for top franchise. They've been ranked as the most valuable franchise for 10 consecutive years at $1.4 to 1.5 billion (followed by the Dallas Cowboys). The market the 'Hawks play in is an incredible small one compared to Washington and Dallas. Teams like the Bills, 'Hawks, Jags, Packers, etc. would not be nearly as successful if the cap were removed due to the fact that those franchises make significantly less per year as do the Redskins.

What I'm trying to get at here, Hemo, is that the cap would then be on whatever the franchise itself makes from selling tickets, merchandise, etc instead of what the owner can pour into signing players. The NFL would, inevitably, create guidelines to a 'no cap' league because 'parity' is everything in the NFL. Teams would end up playing by the MLB salary cap rules, whether loosely or strongly, and use a team's profits as its cap.


First off, I apologize to PAUL Allen for fudging his name.

You think Seattle's a small market? It's 14th in the US (16th including double markets in New York and the Bay Area), so it's still in the top half of the league. However, for football, Seattle gains the benefit of the Oregon market (it's only a day's drive to Seattle from most of populated Oregon) which is ranked 23rd.

Problem being with your last paragraph is that there's no contingency cap. There would be renegade owners who would go for the no-cap approach to see if it benefits them. Everything needs 24 votes out of 32 from the owners, and such owners as Al Davis, Jerry Jones, Daniel Snyder, Paul Allen, and countless others (they've all got more money than we can imagine) could decide to go against it all for their own teams' gains, and honestly, who can blame them?

Still though, Paul Allen has more money to burn than any other owner in the NFL does, so he could stand to have the most to gain from the possibility of the salary cap dissolving.


Ah ha, I said COMPARED to Washington and Dallas it is smaller in terms of the team support. The Redskins benefit from Maryland, Virginia, D.C., West Virginia, Delaware, and pieces of many other southern states. The Redskins are by far a more supported team than the Seahawks, so if you want to talk fan support we can...I KNOW I'd win.

Actually I would think that the majority of the owners would vote yes to no cap because then they could actually go and sign almost as they please even if it were under the restriction that you could only spend what your team makes; this can even things out between the small and the big market teams.

On to Allen: he puts most of his attention and love into his basketball team, the Trail Blazers, than he does the Seahawks. He is usually in the middle of the action with his basketball team, but...he is, strangely, almost never seen when dealing with the Seahawks. I highly doubt he would pour BILLIONS into something he less passionate about than his true love. He'd prefer to put money into the Trail Blazers and watch them climb the ranks of the NBA to win a championship. He'd get far more from that than if his Seahawks came away with a SB ring.


The NBA doesn't make nearly as much money as the NFL does, even with 5 times the home games. As far as business ventures, Allen's just as entangled with the NFL as he is with the NBA, he just has had better personnel people in Seattle to handle the day-to-day than he did in Portland, along with him having to keep a public image to get the community involved, something the team with the loudest stadium in the NFL doesn't have a problem with.

Washington's contract shenanigans (contracts with 5-7 option years behind them, backloaded contracts, ones with unattainable incentives) will discourage players from going there, knowing that the Redskins have screwed players out of the money they thought they'd get.

Meanwhile, there's been nothing like that in Seattle. Never has a player even requested a trade from there, only a couple have held out, and there have been no players that have lost as much money as say, Adam Archuleta (who signed the richest contract ever for a safety, and Washington opted out after year one).

By the way, you're attempting to break the rules of the TD: It does say Ben's wrong, you still haven't disproven that, you're still within the rules at this point...<_<


If there is no cap then no player would have a problem coming to Washington and as of now NONE have a problem signing here anyway. Paul Allen has even ADMITTED that he is far more hands on and interested in his basketball team (November 07 SI). That right there tells me he WOULDN'T be willing to put countless billions into the Seahawks. The Redskins also did NOT opt out of Archuleta's contract, they TRADED him away to the Bears.

You saying a player has never requested a trade from Seattle in 40 years is a FLAT OUT lie. No franchise in ANY sport could go that long without some player becoming disgruntled or dissatisfied with his contract and begin demanding a trade.

The best way for the NFL to safely remove the cap and keep the "parity" at least somewhat level is to set the spending restrictions at Franchise net worth, possibly putting luxury taxes and the like on signings of a certain amount. The NFL can help keep its small market teams like Green Bay, Buffalo, and Jacksonville alive and well if they let the money those teams make their 'personal' salary cap. Most of those teams are small spenders anyway.

So, like I've said many times: cap should be the team's net worth.

Good luck Benjamin

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Alright...that took forever...

I should be quicker..

Also his name is Paul Allen NOT Steve Allen.

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Alright, I chunked it. Sorry, was in a hurrah.

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Haha, I love the end of the title.

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I bet you do.

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Alright, I chunked it. Sorry, was in a hurrah.
thehemogoblin is Mr. Downside | 04/01/08, 12:01 AM

How do you mess up the name of your favorite team's owner?

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I bet you do.
Big Ben68 | 04/01/08, 12:13 AM

It doesn't mean I agree with it though.

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How do you mess up the name of your favorite team's owner?
Big Ben68 | 04/01/08, 12:13 AM

I can't even think of the Lions owner half of the time, and the field is Ford Field...

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Interesting.

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imo, salary cap is a joke...if someone wanted to spend whatever money they have then let them do it...

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if id pick a team to rival the Hawks it would have to be the Pats...money aside they have picked winners in the NFL draft for years and years now...combine that with allowing owners to pay as much as they want for the free agents....

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I hope to god this never happens

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Wow... interesting debate, guys... from a franchise standpoint, I agree with Ben... from a renegade owner standpoint, I agree with hemo... will have to wait until all the arguments are in to cast a vote... until tomorrow, have a great throwdown, gentlemen...

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Do away with the cap and tax teams that spend a lot, this way they can if they want but they are paying into a pool lower revenue teams could draw from. That and cap rookie contracts.

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Big Ben's got it right. You remove the cap and set the cap as the franchises net worth.



The Steelers would still be just as successful...

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I see Tracy voted for you, Hemo...


Well played...>_>

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No cap would kill some small market teams *cough* packer

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"I should be quicker.." -Ben

Your girlfriend would beg to differ.

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"I should be quicker.." -Ben

Your girlfriend would beg to differ.

G.O.A.T. | 04/01/08, 07:44 AM

She is well satisfied...

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Joker, NCshvDavid, and Danbash...



Again, Hemo, well played...

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