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  • April 04, 2008 10:31 PM ET

Soccernation Tourney: What is the best rivalry in soccer (club only)?

The Waiting Game (15-17-2) vs 200motels (1-1-0)
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In the 1st argument only pick your two teams

Mine are:
Celtic and Rangers


Thanks for inviting me. This is my first throwdown, so I don't know if I am adhering to the conventions.
I choose the rivalry between two historic Mexican clubs, Am??rica, formed on Columbus Day, 1916 and Los Chivas (the Goats) de Guadalajara, formed in 1908. Los Chivas??? name is actually El Club Uni??n, but they were derisively called a bunch of goats by a newspaper and the name stuck.
Since I speak fluent Spanish and have a great love for Mexico, I follow Mexican soccer very closely on Spanish-language television. Am??rica and Los Chivas are the two greatest teams in Mexico. They meet every year for a game which is called El Cl??sico (or El Super Cl??sico) and which ordinarily draws over 100,000 spectators at the stadium and many hundreds of millions more around the world. This game has been played since 1943 when it was won with a 3-1 victory by Guadelajara.
This is the hottest rivalry in Mexican soccer. There have been many bench-clearing riots on the field, notably in 1983, when both teams were charged with assault, and in 1986.
El Super Cl??sico is the most important game of the Mexican football season, always played at Estadio Jalisco or Estadio Azteca.


ok so you started arguing, but what ever

Simply known as Old Firm, Rangers Celtic is not simply a rivalry, but a representation of the battle between Catholics and Protestants that have raged in the United Kingdom and Ireland for the last 400 years. Based in the city of Glasgow, Scotland there is a firm divide between Celtic fans (Catholics) and Rangers fans (Protestants), which results in Old Firm twice a year.

It isn???t only about the deep religious views either, these teams play damn good football:

Between Rangers and Celtic they have:
63 Scottish Cups
93 Scottish Premier League Championships, that is ridiculous
Since 95 Celtic and Rangers have finished 1-2 in the SPL all, but 1 year


The two teams have played each other 375 times in their history with:
Rangers winning 151
Celtic winning 131
Drawing 92

Not only do these teams hate each other, but the domination they share over the other Scottish teams can???t be found in any other major league.


In pre-Colombian Mexico the great Mayan empire had a ball game resembling soccer, where the teams had to put the ball through a stone loop using just their hips or their heads. As a matter of course, the losers were cut open and their still-beating hearts were ripped out and thrown into the sacred lagoon. This charming custom has been allowed to lapse, but the spirit endures.

Since Los Chivas field only Mexican players and America uses players from all around the world, El Super Clasico is the playing field that pits the Mexican spirit against the rest of the world. The players know that it is unforgiveable to lose a game because they are fighting not only for the trophy but for the sacred honor of football. It is not uncommon for players to dress up like superheros, like in Lucha Libre, to confront their opponents. The hundreds of thousands of fans who attend the game typically create riots in the stadium.
The frenetic pace of the games make you forget that they are being played a mile and a half above sea-level. It's easy to choose one team over the other but they are pretty evenly matched at the top of football, so it is pretty much left up to the gods to decide which team w


1. Yeah, and people have been playing games resmebling soccer in Europe for hundreds of years. I don't care if the Mayan were playing it before the Scottish. Truth is that Celtic Rangers started playing in 1888 that is over 50 years older then Los Chivas and America.

2. What stadium in Mexico holds "hundreds of thousands of fans"?

3. As quality as those to teams are they do not dominate mexican soccer like Celtic and Rangers do in the SPL!

4. If you want riots go back in the last 400 years of history involving Catholics and Protestants. As for Celtic Rangers for such a huge rivalry there is not very many fatalities, but rioting still takes place.

The truth is that Rangers Celtic have played more games then Chivas and America, they have been playing each other 50 years longer then Chivas and America, they have an extrmeley close record for the 354 games they have played.

And most importantly every time these teams play eachother it means something really important, whether the SPL crown or a chance to play in the Champions league. These two teams always seem to provide us with talent, drama, and quality soccer.


Considering the height of emotion that the subject arouses in me I feel that I should be indulged the small degree of hyperbole I expressed concerning live attendance at the Super Clasico. Once you exceed 100,000 spectators the counting goes into the hundreds of thousands.
Football is not just a sport of athletic brilliance. It is a showcase of world cultures. In no other country is the fusion of classic and contemporary cultures more complete than in Mexico, where even though the players??? lives are no longer on the line they play the game with the same life-or-death urgency.
Mexico is the pinnacle of Latin American civilization. The Super Clasico assembles a super team of players from throughout that region (America) and pits it against the most superb Mexican-born players (Chivas). By this process are the teams subjected to a hardening process as in a blast furnace of fire, presided over by the spirits of the warrior kings of the ancient nations and revered by the present incarnations of their subjects. The resultant spectacle is a pageant of primordial passion the emotional significance of which has no equivalent anywhere in sport.

April 6, 2008  12:08 AM ET

Club America (my fav club in the world) and Las Chivas de Guadalajara is the biggest rivalry! I personally watch the FMF and it doesnt get any better than 'El Clasico'!

April 6, 2008  12:09 AM ET

Hey but what is up with the ?'s

April 6, 2008  07:11 AM ET

It's an error in some computer systems or something like that.

April 6, 2008  12:34 PM ET

ill wait to vote on this one.

200 motels, you can vote for yourself

April 6, 2008  11:05 PM ET

I vote for America

April 7, 2008  07:14 AM ET

anyway, if i have to vote for myself to win it's not fun

April 7, 2008  01:14 PM ET

he voted for him self

April 7, 2008  02:27 PM ET

For my account of the 1969 Soccer War between El Salvador and Honduras, in which thousands died because of a soccer rivalry, visit my web site at www.200motels.net.
Thanks for inviting me. Cheers

April 7, 2008  03:06 PM ET

Pretty darn good for your first TD 200. You get my vote.

April 7, 2008  03:23 PM ET

Palmeiras vs Corinthians...check it out (people literally die in every classic with clashes between fans)

April 7, 2008  03:39 PM ET

Boca River... it's big, it's violent it's long rooted in Argentinian history.

April 7, 2008  04:09 PM ET

I particularly enjoyed the part...."As a matter of course, the losers were cut open and their still-beating hearts were ripped out and thrown into the sacred lagoon.
Too bad that they didn't kick the hearts in...then the custom might have endured.-----------H-------------<>extra point here.

April 7, 2008  04:22 PM ET

Not sure if I would have gone Mexican League but 200 Motels makes a better argument, so he gets the vote.

April 7, 2008  07:12 PM ET

America and Chivas have a game this weekend! Cant wait! Vamos Aguilas!

 
April 8, 2008  07:08 PM ET

The Estadio Azteca holds more than 100k people. 115,500 actually.

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